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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I think ICANN would be
dealing with a whole lot of .amazon type disputes. I thought our
role was to try to avoid that.</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Mariat</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/8/2018 2:23 PM, Javier Rua wrote:<br>
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Sure!
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<div>“<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Thanks
Robin!</span>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">To
continue this interesting conversation, a question (anyone
can of course chip in) how could this hypothetical be solved
preemptively or curatively (a posteriori): What if 1) an
“Apache Helicopter Corp.”, a company that incidentally has
registered US trademarks for the name “Apache Helicopter”,
applied for a “.apache” string; 2) the US government never
objected (or paid any attention) to said application, and
the string was delegated, 3) yet a representative of the
several federally recognized Apache Tribes, a few months
later found about this and objected to this “appropriation
of their cultural identity-the name of their people”? </span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">PS:
My heart wants the Apaches to prevail... “</span></div>
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On Aug 8, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Greg Shatan <<a
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<div dir="auto">Javier,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Can you please refresh my (our) recollection
of that fact pattern? Thanks!</div>
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<div dir="auto">Greg</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 7:15 AM Javier Rua
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<div dir="auto">Thx Greg!
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<div>What would you say to my “Apache Helicopter”
fact pattern?</div>
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On Aug 8, 2018, at 1:33 AM, Greg Shatan <<a
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"><font
face="verdana, sans-serif">Your anger
and hurt are heard. Thanks for
expressing your feelings so directly. </font><br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Let's
turn to the facts.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">There's
no "infringement" here. Overheated
rhetoric won't make it so. Words can have
more than one meaning. If a registry sets
up a .brick TLD for use by the brick
industry, it does not "infringe" on any
right that Brick, New Jersey has. There
is simply no general principle that
supports the idea that a "geo use" is a
"better" use of a string with multiple
meanings than a "non geo use." </div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">There
are no "vultures" to be protected from.
They are no more real than Bigfoot, the
Loch Ness monster or the monster under the
bed when you were 6 years old.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Challenge
processes (I don't want to use the "C___
R_____" term you have a knee-jerk reaction
to) are a well-accepted method, in ICANN
and everywhere else. Access to a form of
due process does not translate to
"anything goes" or "big money wins."
Quite the opposite -- it is a way to
arrive at a fair result. It may translate
to "Geos don't always win" -- but that's
completely appropriate.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I
can't speak for NCSG or for ALAC, but in
my view from an end-user perspective, a
"geo use" is only one possible use of a
multi-meaning string. Many more end-users
may be interested in a .coupon that is
used for getting and using coupons that a
.coupon that is used for Coupon,
Pennsylvania. There is no inherent
preference for "geo uses." "City
constituencies" have the right to apply
for appropriate gTLD strings, whether it's
.Budapest or .Bucharest or .Bridgeport.
Nothing we do here will change that. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As
we move toward a series of consensus
calls, it is particularly concerning to
see Challenge Processes rejected out of
hand and with such divisive rhetoric. But
it's better to know now if challenge
processes can be part of a consensus
recommendation from this group. I would
hope the answer would be "yes" But, if the
answer is "no" -- as this "call to arms"
suggests -- then we will have to move
forward under those circumstances. I
don't think that will be helpful in
reaching consensus on any recommendation,
even some of the so-called "easy" ones.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best
regards,</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 7:14
PM Alexander Schubert <<a
href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>"Curative Rights"? </div>
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<div>Geo communities won't even know
that vultures and brands are
infringing on their identities.
Especially not once we go into
continuous application mode in a few
years.</div>
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<div>GAC members should be VERY
ALARMED. "Curative Rights" is a
thinly veiled eulogy for "anything
goes" and "big money wins". The
rights of geo communities and their
constituents will be TRAMPLED on.</div>
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<div>In the 1600s and 1700s Europeans
set out to stake claims in every
corner of the world. Unchallenged.
Their prey being vulnerable and
without defense. Colonialism! It
wiped out populations of ENTIRE
CONTINENTS (e.g. North America). </div>
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<div>What is being peddled here is
just the same in the age of claiming
DNS land on top level:</div>
<div>Venture Capital will marry
Vulture Culture - together they will
colonize the geo-TLD world. To make
big bucks - on the back of
vulnerable communities.</div>
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<div>Europe, Asia, South America and
Africa should stand up to cyber
colonialism. It cannot be that
"their lands" are brute-force taken
AGAIN. </div>
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<div>Sizeable cities are as important
(and their geo gTLDs as impacting
for their city constituents) as
small countries. I would wish we
collectively mature up and recognize
that truth. "Curative Rights" ain't
enough. Where are ALAC or the NCSG?
It would be THEIR job to defend city
constituencies. Do they even know
what's playing out here? </div>
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<div>Btw: I wish we could stop calling
it "governmental support". For many
that sounds like FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
Nothing could be more wrong. It's
the CITY'S representatives who are
tasked to provide support. They know
the needs of their city best - they
have been ELECTED to represent the
city's constituent's interests. </div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<div>Alexander </div>
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From: Robin Gross <<a
href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>
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Date: 8/7/18 20:02 (GMT+02:00) <br>
To: Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5 <<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>>
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5
Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call
on Country & Territory Names -
Please review before our call. <br>
<br>
I agree with Greg and would add that
many of us would be far less resistant
to the concept of “geo names” if the
underlying right/privilege provided
was a curative right (rather than
preventative). For some, the biggest
problem we have with “geo names” is
the presumption of restrictions (in
this case a “veto power” to a single
actor) so moving discussion towards
curative rights could be a very useful
way of working toward an ultimate
consensus.
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Robin</div>
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<div>On Aug 7, 2018, at 9:53
AM, Greg Shatan <<a
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target="_blank"
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<div dir="auto">Christopher,</div>
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<div dir="auto">You can’t
just throw the word
“politically” into the
middle of an unsupported
claim and expect to be
persuasive (or even
understood). I don’t see
any reason or reasoning
where would find “all
geographic names” to be
subject to any rules, much
less preventative rules.
Quite the contrary. Can
you explain your use of
“politically” and what
that implies? Where do
you see politics coming
into the ICANN
policy-making process, and
which politics are you
referring to?</div>
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<div dir="auto">Curative
procedures have been
successfully invoked since
the dawn of ICANN (and
long, long before, in a
multitude of settings) to
allow someone to assert a
claim against another
party’s actions on the
basis of agreed-upon
standards. To write off
the entire concept as
“unsuitable,” again
without support, seems
both extreme and
premature. New curative
procedures were created
for the 2012 round, and we
could adapt those or
create something different
if we wanted to. On a
policy level, there’s
absolutely no reason for
curative procedures to be
“unsuitable.” Indeed, for
reasons I very recently
stated, they are far more
suitable than preventative
rights for the vast
majority of terms with
geographic meanings.
Helping them work
appropriately is an
implementation-level
concern that should not
impede good policy-making.</div>
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</div>
<div dir="auto">As a group
trying to reach consensus,
we should not put all of
our eggs into the one
basket of preventative
measures — no matter how
much some participants
want us to do so. I
understand the allure of
preventative processes
over curative processes —
you don’t need to watch
anything, you don’t need
to initiate anything, you
don’t need to prove
anything, and you don’t
even need to explain
anything. It’s a
completely one-sided
approach — which is good
for one-sided, slam-dunk
situations. Conversely,
they are not particularly
good where there are two
sides to the story.
Perhaps there is a concern
that in a “curative”
process over terms with
geographic meanings, the
“objectors” will not be
able to succeed very often
— that often there really
is no basis for a claim.
If that is the case, it is
even more critical that we
identify and agree upon
the bases for these claims
— whether they are
exercised preventatively
or curatively. We can’t
put (or keep) a
preventative privilege in
place without clear-cut
reasons that this
privilege exists, and
clear-cut reasons that the
claim must be granted
preventative status.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Preventative
rights are equivalent to
“guilty until proven
innocent,” except that
there’s no forum for such
proof — it is entirely at
the discretion of the
privilege-holder.
Curative rights, on the
other hand, are “innocent
until proven guilty,” with
a forum and a process for
that determination to be
made by an uninterested
entity/person(s). I tend
to prefer “innocent until
proven guilty” as a
general concept.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Best
regards,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Greg</div>
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Aug 7, 2018 at 7:22 AM
<a
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Wilkinson <<a
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<p>Dear Greg:</p>
<p>I expect that we
shall find that,
politically, all
geographical names
will be subject to
preventative
rules, at least in
the first
instance.</p>
<p>The existing
'curative'
procedures appear
to me to be quite
unsuitable for
global application
at the level of
disagregation that
we are currently
considering.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Christopher</p>
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<blockquote
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de agosto de 2018
a las 7:46 Greg
Shatan <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span
style="font-family:"Times
New
Roman",Times,serif;font-size:14.6667px">I
just don't
agree that the
sole
recommendation
of WT5 that is
going to be
measure is a
negative one:
to restrict
delegation of
most
geographic
names. In my
view recommendations
should be
framed in a
positive
manner, if
possible.</span> </div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This reminded me that we have so
far talked
almost
exclusively
about what are
generally
called
"preventive"
processes
(reserve
lists,
permission
requirements,
blocking
lists, etc.),
and very
little about
what are
generally
called
"curative"
processes
(objections,
dispute
resolution
processes,
challenge
processes,
etc.). By
doing so,
we've taken
half the tools
out of the
toolkit.<br>
</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I just finished working on the
reconvened
IGO-INGO
Preventive
Rights WG
where we were
dealing (at
this point)
with
reserving/restricting
national Red
Cross/Red
Crescent
society
names. In
this case, a
preventive
rights
approach made
sense -- the
names of the
various
national
societies are
essentially
unique,
identified
only with that
one entity,
third party
uses are
almost
certainly done
in bad faith
and with bad
intent, and
there's no
real
underlying
policy
disagreement.
In some cases
(e.g., name
collisions,
certain
reserved
names) there
is also a
strong
technical
component.
This is how
preventive
rights have
generally been
used in ICANN
policy -- for
"slam-dunk"
cases.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">There are few, if any,
"slam-dunk"
cases in our
work. A good
case can be
made for
2-letter
letter-letter
combinations.
Perhaps a good
case can be
made for some
of the
remaining
classifications
in this first
set or
potential
recommendations.
However, as we
move "down the
list", so to
speak, we get
further away
from
"slam-dunk"
situations.
We could
potentially
make more
headway on
some of the
classifications
of names if we
considered
"curative"
processes,
instead of
being so
intensely
focused on
"preventive"
rights. This
tends to turn
our
discussions
into "all or
nothing"
choices -- but
this is a
false menu,
since there
are other
options aside
from the
binary
"all/nothing"
that should be
on the menu.</div>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Let's keep this in mind as we
move forward.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On
Mon, Aug 6,
2018 at 6:34
PM Robin Gross
<<a
href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div
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agree with
Paul and think
we should
declare
agreement
where we have
it, and build
on that to
find other
agreement down
the line. The
process is
supposed to
involve
incremental
steps and
building
blocks along
the way, and
that is how we
will
eventually
arrive at a
consensus. To
take the
“nothing until
everything”
approach will
keep us
spinning our
wheels
indefinitely,
cause
confusion, and
risks
unexpected
results, which
is in no one’s
interest.
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Robin<br>
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<div>On Aug 6,
2018, at 2:16
PM, McGrady,
Paul D. <<a
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wrote:</div>
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style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I’m a little concerned with the “</span>Nothing
is agreed
until
everything is
agreed”
approach.
This isn’t a
contract
negotiation,
it is a
consensus
building
exercise. If
we have to
wait until
every topic
has been
discussed and
we think we
have 100%
agreement on
all topics
before we take
a consensus
call on
individual
topics, this
WG will never
find an end
point. </div>
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Behalf Of<span
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class="m_8589503193839125919gmail-m_-6234604035014422535m_7592807626265123294ox-d4735d55fc-m_1757445842593989686Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wilkinson<br>
<strong>Sent:</strong><span
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August 6, 2018
4:09 PM<br>
<strong>To:</strong><span
class="m_8589503193839125919gmail-m_-6234604035014422535m_7592807626265123294ox-d4735d55fc-m_1757445842593989686Apple-converted-space"> </span>Martin
Sutton <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>><br>
<strong>Cc:</strong><span
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style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<strong>Subject:</strong><span
class="m_8589503193839125919gmail-m_-6234604035014422535m_7592807626265123294ox-d4735d55fc-m_1757445842593989686Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on
Country &
Territory
Names - Please
review before
our call.</span></div>
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<p
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New
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Co-Leads and
Martin:</p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">I
disagree with
the method
proposed. </p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">1.
It is
premature to
start
consensus
calls on
certain
restricted
topics when
other more
critical
topics have
not yet been
discussed.<br>
<br>
2. Nothing is
agreed until
everything is
agreed.<br>
<br>
Regards</p>
<p
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New
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6 de agosto de
2018 a las
21:06 Martin
Sutton <<a
href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>>
escribió:<br>
<br>
Hi
Christopher,</div>
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<div
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New
Roman",serif">In
order to
progress the
building of
the Initial
Report, the
agenda is
designed to
focus on how
we will
achieve this
and begin to
gather
recommendations
where we find
consensus.
Item 4 was
raised on the
last call and
members were
requested to
continue
discussions
over the email
list, although
this has been
somewhat quiet
probably due
to holiday
periods. </div>
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<div
style="margin:0in
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New
Roman",serif">We
encourage you
to use the
email list for
elaborating on
non-AGB
categories,
this will then
help towards
further
discussions on
the call. By
experience of
the
discussions
relating to
non-capital
cities, please
provide a
sound
argument/rationale
for any
suggestions
for the group
to consider,
rather than
simply stating
a request. </div>
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regards,</div>
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On 6 Aug 2018,
at 15:25,<span
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style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">Dear
Co-Leads: May
I request that
point 4 of the
proposed
agenda be
moved up to
point 1.</p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">Some
participants,
including
myself, have
only
persevered
with WT5
in-order to
discuss the
non-AGB terms.</p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">These
include :</p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">-
all other
geographical
terms</p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">-
geographical
indications</p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">-
several
groups of
regional,
cultural,
economic and
linguistic
names.</p>
<p
style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">Thankyou
and regards</p>
<p
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New
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Wilkinson</p>
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<p
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Roman",serif">El
6 de agosto de
2018 a las
14:42 Martin
Sutton <<a
href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>>
escribió:</p>
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style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Please find below the proposed
agenda for the
WT5 call on
Wednesday 8
August at
13:00 UTC:</span></div>
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style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">1. Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI Updates<br>
2. Review of Consensus Call Process and Work Plan<br>
3. Consensus Call on Country and Territory Names<br>
4. Wrap Up - Non-AGB Terms<br>
5. AOB</span></div>
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style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On our upcoming call, the
leadership
team will
introduce a
work plan
aimed at
wrapping up
WT5’s work and
delivering an
Initial Report
by the end of
September. In
maintaining
this timeline,
the leadership
is seeking to
ensure that
Work Track 5
inputs can be
effectively
integrated
into the work
of the broader
New gTLD
Subsequent
Procedures PDP
Working Group
in time for
delivery of
the PDP’s
Final Report.
A copy of the
work plan is
attached.</span></div>
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style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">As outlined in the work plan, the
leadership
team will be
holding a
series of
consensus
calls on
potential
recommendations
to include in
WT5’s Initial
Report. These
will be
introduced in
clusters, with
the first set
of
recommendations
focusing on
country and
territory
names. The
draft
recommendations,
which will be
discussed on
Wednesday, are
attached.<span
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style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Work Track members are encouraged
to review and
provide
feedback on
these draft
recommendations
prior to the
call on
Wednesday</span></strong>.
The leadership
team will
officially
open the
consensus call
on this topic
following
Wednesday’s
call. For more
information on
the consensus
call process
that will be
followed,
please see the
GNSO Working
Group
Guidelines,
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