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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">All, in the midst of the various other exchanges this email from Alexander seems to have been a little overlooked. 
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Alexander thanks for catching this.  You are absolutely correct that the permutations provision (recommendation 7) should not cover
 3-letter codes.  We discussed this more than once during WG calls and there was no disagreement that I recall.  Staff pointed out that your interpretation (ie that a permutation would cover, and exclude, the same three letters in any order) has not been applied
 in practice*.   Many of us felt that your interpretation was never the intention, and indeed that you cannot change the order to create an entirely different 3-letter term and call that a permutation.  Regardless, there was widespread agreement during the
 previous times this came up that this would benefit from clarification since the reference to permutations in relation to 3-letter codes is meaningless.  I wouldn’t view this as you “giving” something to brands, since this has always been the case, but appreciate
 you spotting the error. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">*Here’s an example from the last round: GIN (3-letter code for Guinea); ING (TLD delegated to Google).   I haven’t bothered to look
 for multiple examples.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alexander Schubert<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 August 2018 16:27<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi work track members,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In the email from August 6<sup>th</sup> we got the attached document:  “Recommendations - country and territory names - 6 August 2018 v2”.<br>
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I have some questions and corrections:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“RECOMMENDATION #2” specifies “the 2012 Applicant Guidebook section 2.2.1.4.2.i”! Seems it should be section 2.2.1.4.<b><span style="color:red">1</span></b>.i!
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We recommend to continue 2.2.1.4.1.vi in this document. In regard to 3-letter country codes section 2.2.1.4.1.vi specifies that permutations (ABC has
 the two permutations BCA and CAB, letters “rotate” but aren’t “scrambled” which would be a transposition) would be unavailable as well. Which never made ANY sense. Nobody would REMOTELY be able to guess what country permutation is hidden behind EUD or ALV
 (my two countries DE and LV). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hence I urge that we recommend to have 2.2.1.4.1.vi NOT anymore referencing to 2.2.1.4.1.i!  Transpositions were anyway only referencing to long or short
 form country names (not to 3 letter codes), and you can’t “remove” punctuation or spaces from a 3 letter code (because by definition there is none). Brand Defenders listen up: If the permutation provision would remain then COUNTLESS 3-letter brands would be
 denied application without ANY real world reason. Every 3 letter code has two permutations – we would TRIPLE the reserved names by keeping 2.2.1.4.1.vi referencing to “I”.  Instead I recommend change wording to:<br>
“it is a permutation or transposition of any of the names included in items (<span style="color:red">ii</span>) through (v). “.
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 I personally don’t much care – but my hope is if we do “something” that benefits brands – brands might agree to help protecting sizeable cities: by requiring Government support!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The reference error continues in RECOMMENDATION #3:  Should be 2.2.1.4.<span style="color:red">1</span>.ii and so on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I cannot recall  full support of keeping them unavailable when we discussed permutations of 3 letter ISO 3166 country codes. In whose interest is that? Innocent
 question to the GAC members: is there ANY country out there that honestly believes that any of its two permutations might be in ANY way conflated with the original 3-letter code? While about 50% of the 3-letter codes are pure garbage (I doubt that there are
 many Germans who would create a connection between Germany and a domain ending in “.deu”) even for the 50% that are somewhat known (like ARG, LUX, BRA or ISR) it takes quite some effort to guess what country was meant if you see that just as gTLD WITHOUT knowing
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I doubt that anybody here could name just ONE permutation of a 3-letter country code (ISO 3166 Alpha-3) that one out of a ten thousand random Internet users would
 conflate with the original country. What exactly do we protect here? Whom? Certainly NOT the people of those countries, they are completely NOT affected at all. The good people of Israel most certainly wouldn’t mind if SRI International (sri.com, formerly
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Sutton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 06, 2018 3:42 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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3. Consensus Call on Country and Territory Names<br>
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