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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I think ICANN cannot
ignore what is going on in the world. There is a huge
sensitivity to cultural appropriation right now. Minority
cultures and peoples are coming forward to reclaim what was
taken from them -- and that includes names. Whether we like it
or not, it would be very politically incorrect for us to come
forward with a plan that allows any enterprise/brand to appropriate
a name/string that "belongs", in a cultural sense, to a
particular group, especially an indigenous group -- something
like Apache, for example. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/8/2018 7:27 PM, Aslam Mohamed
wrote:<br>
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<div>Please reconsider excluding the term Apache from the remit of
WT5:</div>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Apache
County was formed during the Tenth Territorial Legislation in
1879 out of the eastern section of Yavapai County; officially
all land east of 119°45′ W.</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Best</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Aslam </span></div>
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On Aug 8, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Greg Shatan <<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div dir="auto">Apache is not a geographic term and
therefore not within our remit. Can we stick to discussing
strings where at least one meaning is geographic? Thanks!</div>
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<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Best regards,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Greg</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 11:07 AM Javier Rua
<<a href="mailto:javrua@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">javrua@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">All:
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<div>I think it was Paul that made the point in todays
call that this “Apache” question is the type of
issue best left to the national law level; but I
wonder if it was the other way around: some national
US law that forbade the Apache people from applying
for and registering a “.apache” string. Should
ICANN feel bound here by US Law? Is International
Law relevant? What if any preventative or curative
policy be put in place, if any?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please all chip in!</div>
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DOTZON GmbH <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear Jon,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">but
the community objection process does not
apply once a string has been delegated –
a community would have to file an
objections before.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kind
regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Katrin</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Von:</b>
Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Jon Nevett<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 8. August
2018 14:41<br>
<b>An:</b> Javier Rua <<a
href="mailto:javrua@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">javrua@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work
Plan & Consensus Call on Country
& Territory Names - Please review
before our call.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">And that is
why we have a community objection
process . . .</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Aug 8, 2018, at 5:23 AM, Javier Rua
<<a href="mailto:javrua@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">javrua@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sure!</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">“Thanks Robin!</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">To continue
this interesting conversation, a
question (anyone can of course
chip in) how could this
hypothetical be solved
preemptively or curatively (a
posteriori): What if 1) an “Apache
Helicopter Corp.”, a company that
incidentally has registered US
trademarks for the name “Apache
Helicopter”, applied for a
“.apache” string; 2) the US
government never objected (or paid
any attention) to said
application, and the string was
delegated, 3) yet a representative
of the several federally
recognized Apache Tribes, a few
months later found about this and
objected to this “appropriation of
their cultural identity-the name
of their people”? </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">PS: My heart
wants the Apaches to prevail... “</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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id="m_5934110927270899539AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">Javier
Rúa-Jovet</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">+1-787-396-6511</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">twitter:
@javrua</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">skype:
javier.rua1</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black"><a
href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua</a> </span></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Aug 8, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Greg
Shatan <<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Javier,</p>
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Can you
please refresh my (our)
recollection of that fact
pattern? Thanks!</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Greg</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed,
Aug 8, 2018 at 7:15 AM
Javier Rua <<a
href="mailto:javrua@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">javrua@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thx
Greg!</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">What
would you say to my
“Apache Helicopter”
fact pattern?</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </p>
<div
id="m_5934110927270899539m_8589503193839125919AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal">Javier
Rúa-Jovet</p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">+1-787-396-6511</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">twitter:
@javrua</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">skype:
javier.rua1</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua</a> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On Aug 8, 2018, at
1:33 AM, Greg Shatan
<<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Alexander,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Your anger and hurt
are heard.
Thanks for
expressing
your feelings
so directly. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Let's turn to the
facts.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There's no
"infringement"
here.
Overheated
rhetoric won't
make it so.
Words can have
more than one
meaning. If a
registry sets
up a .brick
TLD for use by
the brick
industry, it
does not
"infringe" on
any right that
Brick, New
Jersey has.
There is
simply no
general
principle that
supports the
idea that a
"geo use" is a
"better" use
of a string
with multiple
meanings than
a "non geo
use." </span></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There are no
"vultures" to
be protected
from. They
are no more
real than
Bigfoot, the
Loch Ness
monster or the
monster under
the bed when
you were 6
years old.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Challenge processes
(I don't want
to use the
"C___ R_____"
term you have
a knee-jerk
reaction to)
are a
well-accepted
method, in
ICANN and
everywhere
else. Access
to a form of
due process
does not
translate to
"anything
goes" or "big
money wins."
Quite the
opposite -- it
is a way to
arrive at a
fair result.
It may
translate to
"Geos don't
always win" --
but that's
completely
appropriate.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I can't speak for
NCSG or for
ALAC, but in
my view from
an end-user
perspective, a
"geo use" is
only one
possible use
of a
multi-meaning
string. Many
more end-users
may be
interested in
a .coupon that
is used for
getting and
using coupons
that a .coupon
that is used
for Coupon,
Pennsylvania.
There is no
inherent
preference for
"geo uses."
"City
constituencies"
have the right
to apply for
appropriate
gTLD strings,
whether it's
.Budapest or
.Bucharest or
.Bridgeport.
Nothing we do
here will
change that. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">As we move toward a
series of
consensus
calls, it is
particularly
concerning to
see Challenge
Processes
rejected out
of hand and
with such
divisive
rhetoric. But
it's better to
know now if
challenge
processes can
be part of a
consensus
recommendation
from this
group. I
would hope the
answer would
be "yes"
But, if the
answer is "no"
-- as this
"call to arms"
suggests --
then we will
have to move
forward under
those
circumstances.
I don't think
that will be
helpful in
reaching
consensus on
any
recommendation,
even some of
the so-called
"easy" ones.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best regards,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg</span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Tue, Aug 7,
2018 at 7:14
PM Alexander
Schubert <<a
href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<div>
<p
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</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">"Curative
Rights"? </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Geo
communities
won't even
know that
vultures and
brands are
infringing on
their
identities.
Especially not
once we go
into
continuous
application
mode in a few
years.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">GAC
members should
be VERY
ALARMED.
"Curative
Rights" is a
thinly veiled
eulogy for
"anything
goes" and "big
money wins".
The rights of
geo
communities
and their
constituents
will be
TRAMPLED on.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">In
the 1600s and
1700s
Europeans set
out to stake
claims in
every corner
of the world.
Unchallenged.
Their prey
being
vulnerable and
without
defense.
Colonialism!
It wiped out
populations of
ENTIRE
CONTINENTS
(e.g. North
America). </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">What
is being
peddled here
is just the
same in the
age of
claiming DNS
land on top
level:</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Venture
Capital will
marry Vulture
Culture -
together they
will colonize
the geo-TLD
world. To make
big bucks - on
the back of
vulnerable
communities.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Europe,
Asia, South
America and
Africa should
stand up to
cyber
colonialism.
It cannot be
that "their
lands" are
brute-force
taken AGAIN. </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Sizeable
cities are as
important (and
their geo
gTLDs as
impacting for
their city
constituents)
as small
countries. I
would wish we
collectively
mature up and
recognize that
truth.
"Curative
Rights" ain't
enough. Where
are ALAC or
the NCSG? It
would be THEIR
job to defend
city
constituencies.
Do they even
know what's
playing out
here? </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Btw:
I wish we
could stop
calling it
"governmental
support". For
many that
sounds like
FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
Nothing could
be more wrong.
It's the
CITY'S
representatives
who are tasked
to provide
support. They
know the needs
of their city
best - they
have been
ELECTED to
represent the
city's
constituent's
interests. </p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
</div>
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<p
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</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Alexander </p>
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From: Robin
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Date: 8/7/18
20:02
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Subject: Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
WT5 Agenda,
Work Plan
&
Consensus Call
on Country
&
Territory
Names - Please
review before
our call.
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I agree with
Greg and would
add that many
of us would be
far less
resistant to
the concept of
“geo names” if
the underlying
right/privilege provided was a curative right (rather than
preventative).
For some, the
biggest
problem we
have with “geo
names” is the
presumption of
restrictions
(in this case
a “veto power”
to a single
actor) so
moving
discussion
towards
curative
rights could
be a very
useful way of
working toward
an ultimate
consensus.</p>
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Aug 7, 2018,
at 9:53 AM,
Greg Shatan
<<a
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<p
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can’t just
throw the word
“politically”
into the
middle of an
unsupported
claim and
expect to be
persuasive (or
even
understood).
I don’t see
any reason or
reasoning
where would
find “all
geographic
names” to be
subject to any
rules, much
less
preventative
rules. Quite
the contrary.
Can you
explain your
use of
“politically”
and what that
implies?
Where do you
see politics
coming into
the ICANN
policy-making
process, and
which politics
are you
referring to?</p>
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<p
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procedures
have been
successfully
invoked since
the dawn of
ICANN (and
long, long
before, in a
multitude of
settings) to
allow someone
to assert a
claim against
another
party’s
actions on the
basis of
agreed-upon
standards. To
write off the
entire concept
as
“unsuitable,”
again without
support, seems
both extreme
and
premature.
New curative
procedures
were created
for the 2012
round, and we
could adapt
those or
create
something
different if
we wanted to.
On a policy
level, there’s
absolutely no
reason for
curative
procedures to
be
“unsuitable.”
Indeed, for
reasons I very
recently
stated, they
are far more
suitable than
preventative
rights for the
vast majority
of terms with
geographic
meanings.
Helping them
work
appropriately
is an
implementation-level
concern that
should not
impede good
policy-making.</p>
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<p
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a group trying
to reach
consensus, we
should not put
all of our
eggs into the
one basket of
preventative
measures — no
matter how
much some
participants
want us to do
so. I
understand the
allure of
preventative
processes over
curative
processes —
you don’t need
to watch
anything, you
don’t need to
initiate
anything, you
don’t need to
prove
anything, and
you don’t even
need to
explain
anything.
It’s a
completely
one-sided
approach —
which is good
for one-sided,
slam-dunk
situations.
Conversely,
they are not
particularly
good where
there are two
sides to the
story.
Perhaps there
is a concern
that in a
“curative”
process over
terms with
geographic
meanings, the
“objectors”
will not be
able to
succeed very
often — that
often there
really is no
basis for a
claim. If
that is the
case, it is
even more
critical that
we identify
and agree upon
the bases for
these claims —
whether they
are exercised
preventatively
or
curatively.
We can’t put
(or keep) a
preventative
privilege in
place without
clear-cut
reasons that
this privilege
exists, and
clear-cut
reasons that
the claim must
be granted
preventative
status.</p>
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<p
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rights are
equivalent to
“guilty until
proven
innocent,”
except that
there’s no
forum for such
proof — it is
entirely at
the discretion
of the
privilege-holder.
Curative
rights, on the
other hand,
are “innocent
until proven
guilty,” with
a forum and a
process for
that
determination
to be made by
an
uninterested
entity/person(s).
I tend to
prefer
“innocent
until proven
guilty” as a
general
concept.</p>
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regards,</p>
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Tue, Aug 7,
2018 at 7:22
AM <a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a> Wilkinson <<a
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>>
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<p>Dear Greg:</p>
<p>I expect
that we shall
find that,
politically,
all
geographical
names will be
subject to
preventative
rules, at
least in the
first
instance.</p>
<p>The
existing
'curative'
procedures
appear to me
to be quite
unsuitable for
global
application at
the level of
disagregation that
we are
currently
considering.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>Christopher</p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">El 7 de agosto de 2018 a las 7:46 Greg
Shatan <<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:</p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I just don't agree
that the sole
recommendation
of WT5 that is
going to be
measure is a
negative one:
to restrict
delegation of
most
geographic
names. In my
view recommendations
should be
framed in a
positive
manner, if
possible.</span><span
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This reminded me that
we have so far
talked almost
exclusively
about what are
generally
called
"preventive"
processes
(reserve
lists,
permission
requirements,
blocking
lists, etc.),
and very
little about
what are
generally
called
"curative"
processes
(objections,
dispute
resolution
processes,
challenge
processes,
etc.). By
doing so,
we've taken
half the tools
out of the
toolkit.</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I just finished
working on the
reconvened
IGO-INGO
Preventive
Rights WG
where we were
dealing (at
this point)
with
reserving/restricting
national Red
Cross/Red
Crescent
society
names. In
this case, a
preventive
rights
approach made
sense -- the
names of the
various
national
societies are
essentially
unique,
identified
only with that
one entity,
third party
uses are
almost
certainly done
in bad faith
and with bad
intent, and
there's no
real
underlying
policy
disagreement.
In some cases
(e.g., name
collisions,
certain
reserved
names) there
is also a
strong
technical
component.
This is how
preventive
rights have
generally been
used in ICANN
policy -- for
"slam-dunk"
cases.</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There are few, if
any,
"slam-dunk"
cases in our
work. A good
case can be
made for
2-letter
letter-letter
combinations.
Perhaps a good
case can be
made for some
of the
remaining
classifications
in this first
set or
potential
recommendations.
However, as we
move "down the
list", so to
speak, we get
further away
from
"slam-dunk"
situations.
We could
potentially
make more
headway on
some of the
classifications
of names if we
considered
"curative"
processes,
instead of
being so
intensely
focused on
"preventive"
rights. This
tends to turn
our
discussions
into "all or
nothing"
choices -- but
this is a
false menu,
since there
are other
options aside
from the
binary
"all/nothing"
that should be
on the menu.</span></p>
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<p
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mind as we
move forward.</span></p>
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<p
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Mon, Aug 6,
2018 at 6:34
PM Robin Gross
<<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p
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agree with
Paul and think
we should
declare
agreement
where we have
it, and build
on that to
find other
agreement down
the line. The
process is
supposed to
involve
incremental
steps and
building
blocks along
the way, and
that is how we
will
eventually
arrive at a
consensus. To
take the
“nothing until
everything”
approach will
keep us
spinning our
wheels
indefinitely,
cause
confusion, and
risks
unexpected
results, which
is in no one’s
interest.</p>
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Aug 6, 2018,
at 2:16 PM,
McGrady, Paul
D. <<a
href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt">I’m a little concerned with the “</span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">Nothing
is agreed
until
everything is
agreed”
approach.
This isn’t a
contract
negotiation,
it is a
consensus
building
exercise. If
we have to
wait until
every topic
has been
discussed and
we think we
have 100%
agreement on
all topics
before we take
a consensus
call on
individual
topics, this
WG will never
find an end
point. </span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></strong><span
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<<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></a>><span
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<strong><span
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August 6, 2018
4:09 PM<br>
<strong><span
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Sutton <<a
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<strong><span
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<strong><span
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[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on
Country &
Territory
Names - Please
review before
our call.<span
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<p><span
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Co-Leads and
Martin:</span></p>
<p><span
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New
Roman",serif">I
disagree with
the method
proposed. </span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">1.
It is
premature to
start
consensus
calls on
certain
restricted
topics when
other more
critical
topics have
not yet been
discussed.<br>
<br>
2. Nothing is
agreed until
everything is
agreed.<br>
<br>
Regards</span></p>
<p><span
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New
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6 de agosto de
2018 a las
21:06 Martin
Sutton <<a
href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</span></a>>
escribió:<br>
<br>
Hi
Christopher,</span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">In
order to
progress the
building of
the Initial
Report, the
agenda is
designed to
focus on how
we will
achieve this
and begin to
gather
recommendations
where we find
consensus.
Item 4 was
raised on the
last call and
members were
requested to
continue
discussions
over the email
list, although
this has been
somewhat quiet
probably due
to holiday
periods. </span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">We
encourage you
to use the
email list for
elaborating on
non-AGB
categories,
this will then
help towards
further
discussions on
the call. By
experience of
the
discussions
relating to
non-capital
cities, please
provide a
sound
argument/rationale
for any
suggestions
for the group
to consider,
rather than
simply stating
a request. </span></p>
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On 6 Aug 2018,
at 15:25,<span
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<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">Dear
Co-Leads: May
I request that
point 4 of the
proposed
agenda be
moved up to
point 1.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">Some
participants,
including
myself, have
only
persevered
with WT5
in-order to
discuss the
non-AGB terms.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">These
include :</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">-
all other
geographical
terms</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">-
geographical
indications</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">-
several
groups of
regional,
cultural,
economic and
linguistic
names.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">Thankyou
and regards</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times
New
Roman",serif">Christopher
Wilkinson</span></p>
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<span
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6 de agosto de
2018 a las
14:42 Martin
Sutton <<a
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<p
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WT5 call on
Wednesday 8
August at
13:00 UTC:</span><span
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<p
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style="font-size:12.0pt">1. Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI Updates<br>
2. Review of Consensus Call Process and Work Plan<br>
3. Consensus Call on Country and Territory Names<br>
4. Wrap Up - Non-AGB Terms<br>
5. AOB</span><span
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introduce a
work plan
aimed at
wrapping up
WT5’s work and
delivering an
Initial Report
by the end of
September. In
maintaining
this timeline,
the leadership
is seeking to
ensure that
Work Track 5
inputs can be
effectively
integrated
into the work
of the broader
New gTLD
Subsequent
Procedures PDP
Working Group
in time for
delivery of
the PDP’s
Final Report.
A copy of the
work plan is
attached.</span><span
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holding a
series of
consensus
calls on
potential
recommendations
to include in
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Report. These
will be
introduced in
clusters, with
the first set
of
recommendations
focusing on
country and
territory
names. The
draft
recommendations,
which will be
discussed on
Wednesday, are
attached.<span
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provide
feedback on
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recommendations
prior to the
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team will
officially
open the
consensus call
on this topic
following
Wednesday’s
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information on
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that will be
followed,
please see the
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