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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Thanks, Marita.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">These are interesting thoughts. We are not working in a vacuum, and as you say, there is a huge sensitivity to culture in the world now. And one thing that makes the difference

 between a second level domain and a top level domain is that it is only one entity that can be represented through a top level domain. When it is registered, it is gone.

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">And as you say, whether we like it or not, and even if it is policy we are making, not regulation, there are other entities out there that keep an eye on us that are very

 aware of the interests of countries, communities and cultures to be taken care of. In many ways also politics influence what we do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif">Annebeth<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:

</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Marita Moll <m</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">moll@ca.inter.net><br>

<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 8 August 2018 at 22:56<br>

<b>To: </b>"gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><br>

<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p><a name="_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I think ICANN cannot ignore what is going on in the world. There is a huge sensitivity to cultural appropriation right now. Minority cultures and peoples are coming forward to

 reclaim what was taken from them -- and that includes names. Whether we like it or not, it would be very politically incorrect for us to come forward with a plan that allows any enterprise/brand to appropriate a name/string that "belongs", in a cultural sense,

 to a particular group, especially an indigenous group -- something like Apache, for example.

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<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Marita</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On 8/8/2018 7:27 PM, Aslam Mohamed wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Please reconsider excluding the term Apache from the remit of WT5:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Apache County was formed during the Tenth Territorial Legislation in 1879 out of the eastern section of Yavapai County; officially all land east of 119°45′ W.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Best<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Aslam <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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On Aug 8, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Greg Shatan <</span><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Apache is not a geographic term and therefore not within our remit. Can we stick to discussing  strings where at least one meaning is geographic? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 11:07 AM Javier Rua <</span><a href="mailto:javrua@gmail.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">javrua@gmail.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">All: <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">I think it was Paul that made the point in todays call that this “Apache” question is the type of issue best left to the national law level; but I wonder if it was the other way around: some

 national US law that forbade the Apache people from applying for and registering a “.apache” string.  Should ICANN feel bound here by US Law? Is International Law relevant? What if any preventative or curative policy be put in place, if any?

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Please all chip in!<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Javier Rúa-Jovet

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">+1-787-396-6511<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">twitter: @javrua<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">skype: javier.rua1<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="color:black"> </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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On Aug 8, 2018, at 10:52 AM, Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON GmbH <</span><a href="mailto:ohlmer@dotzon.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">ohlmer@dotzon.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Dear Jon,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-US">but the community objection process does not apply once a string has been delegated – a community would have to file

 an objections before.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-US">Kind regards</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-US">Katrin</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b>Von:</b> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Jon Nevett<br>

<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 8. August 2018 14:41<br>

<b>An:</b> Javier Rua <</span><a href="mailto:javrua@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">javrua@gmail.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">><br>

<b>Cc:</b> Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5 <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">><br>

<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">And that is why we have a community objection process . . .<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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On Aug 8, 2018, at 5:23 AM, Javier Rua <</span><a href="mailto:javrua@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">javrua@gmail.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Sure!<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">“Thanks Robin!<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">To continue this interesting conversation, a question (anyone can of course chip in) how could this hypothetical be solved preemptively

 or curatively (a posteriori): What if 1) an “Apache Helicopter Corp.”, a company that incidentally has registered US trademarks for the name “Apache Helicopter”, applied for a “.apache” string; 2) the US government never objected (or paid any attention) to

 said application, and the string was delegated, 3) yet a representative of the several federally recognized Apache Tribes, a few months later found about this and objected to this “appropriation of their cultural identity-the name of their people”?  <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">PS: My heart wants the Apaches to prevail... “<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Javier Rúa-Jovet<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">twitter: @javrua<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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On Aug 8, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Greg Shatan <</span><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Can you please refresh my (our) recollection of that fact pattern? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 7:15 AM Javier Rua <</span><a href="mailto:javrua@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">javrua@gmail.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">What would you say to my “Apache Helicopter” fact pattern?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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On Aug 8, 2018, at 1:33 AM, Greg Shatan <</span><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There's no "infringement" here. Overheated rhetoric won't make it so.  Words can have

 more than one meaning.  If a registry sets up a .brick TLD for use by the brick industry, it does not "infringe" on any right that Brick, New Jersey has.  There is simply no general principle that supports the idea that a "geo use" is a "better" use of a string

 with multiple meanings than a "non geo use."  </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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 Loch Ness monster or the monster under the bed when you were 6 years old.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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 reaction to) are a well-accepted method, in ICANN and everywhere else. Access to a form of due process does not translate to "anything goes" or "big money wins."  Quite the opposite -- it is a way to arrive at a fair result.  It may translate to "Geos don't

 always win" -- but that's completely appropriate.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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 use" is only one possible use of a multi-meaning string.  Many more end-users may be interested in a .coupon that is used for getting and using coupons that a .coupon that is used for Coupon, Pennsylvania.  There is no inherent preference for "geo uses." 

 "City constituencies" have the right to apply for appropriate gTLD strings, whether it's .Budapest or .Bucharest or .Bridgeport.  Nothing we do here will change that.  </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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 Processes rejected out of hand and with such divisive rhetoric.  But it's better to know now if challenge processes can be part of a consensus recommendation from this group.  I would hope the answer would be "yes" But, if the answer is "no" -- as this "call

 to arms" suggests -- then we will have to move forward under those circumstances.  I don't think that will be helpful in reaching consensus on any recommendation, even some of the so-called "easy" ones.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Geo communities won't even know that vultures and brands are infringing on their identities. Especially not once we go into continuous

 application mode in a few years.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">GAC members should be VERY ALARMED. "Curative Rights" is a thinly veiled eulogy for "anything goes" and "big money wins". The rights

 of geo communities and their constituents will be TRAMPLED on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">In the 1600s and 1700s Europeans set out to stake claims in every corner of the world. Unchallenged. Their prey being vulnerable and

 without defense. Colonialism! It wiped out populations of ENTIRE CONTINENTS  (e.g. North America). <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">What is being peddled here is just the same in the age of claiming DNS land on top level:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Venture Capital will marry Vulture Culture - together they will colonize the geo-TLD world. To make big bucks - on the back of vulnerable

 communities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Europe, Asia, South America and Africa should stand up to cyber colonialism. It cannot be that "their lands" are brute-force taken AGAIN. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Sizeable cities are as important (and their geo gTLDs as impacting for their city constituents) as small countries. I would wish we

 collectively mature up and recognize that truth. "Curative Rights" ain't enough. Where are ALAC or the NCSG? It would be THEIR job to defend city constituencies. Do they even know what's playing out here? <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Btw: I wish we could stop calling it "governmental support". For many that sounds like FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Nothing could be more wrong.

 It's the CITY'S representatives who are tasked to provide support. They know the needs of their city best - they have been ELECTED to represent the city's constituent's interests. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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From: Robin Gross <</span><a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">robin@ipjustice.org</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

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Date: 8/7/18 20:02 (GMT+02:00) <br>

To: Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5 <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call.

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I agree with Greg and would add that many of us would be far less resistant to the concept of “geo names” if the underlying right/privilege provided was a curative right (rather than preventative).  For some, the biggest problem we have with “geo names” is

 the presumption of restrictions (in this case a “veto power” to a single actor) so moving discussion towards curative rights could be a very useful way of working toward an ultimate consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On Aug 7, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Greg Shatan <</span><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Christopher,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">You can’t just throw the word “politically” into the middle of an unsupported claim and expect to be persuasive (or even understood). 

 I don’t see any reason or reasoning where would find “all geographic names” to be subject to any rules, much less preventative rules.  Quite the contrary.  Can you explain your use of “politically” and what that implies?  Where do you see politics coming into

 the ICANN policy-making process, and which politics are you referring to?<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Curative procedures have been successfully invoked since the dawn of ICANN (and long, long before, in a multitude of settings) to allow

 someone to assert a claim against another party’s actions on the basis of agreed-upon standards.  To write off the entire concept as “unsuitable,” again without support, seems both extreme and premature.  New curative procedures were created for the 2012 round,

 and we could adapt those or create something different if we wanted to.  On a policy level, there’s absolutely no reason for curative procedures to be “unsuitable.”  Indeed, for reasons I very recently stated, they are far more suitable than preventative rights

 for the vast majority of terms with geographic meanings.  Helping them work appropriately is an implementation-level concern that should not impede good policy-making.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">As a group trying to reach consensus, we should not put all of our eggs into the one basket of preventative measures — no matter how

 much some participants want us to do so.  I understand the allure of preventative processes over curative processes — you don’t need to watch anything, you don’t need to initiate anything, you don’t need to prove anything, and you don’t even need to explain

 anything.  It’s a completely one-sided approach — which is good for one-sided, slam-dunk situations.  Conversely, they are not particularly good where there are two sides to the story.  Perhaps there is a concern that in a “curative” process over terms with

 geographic meanings, the “objectors” will not be able to succeed very often — that often there really is no basis for a claim.  If that is the case, it is even more critical that we identify and agree upon the bases for these claims — whether they are exercised

 preventatively or curatively.  We can’t put (or keep) a preventative privilege in place without clear-cut reasons that this privilege exists, and clear-cut reasons that the claim must be granted preventative status.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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 the discretion of the privilege-holder.  Curative rights, on the other hand, are “innocent until proven guilty,” with a forum and a process for that determination to be made by an uninterested entity/person(s).  I tend to prefer “innocent until proven guilty”

 as a general concept.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 7:22 AM

</span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> Wilkinson

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<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Dear Greg:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">I expect that we shall find that, politically, all geographical names will be subject to preventative rules, at least in the first instance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">The existing 'curative' procedures appear to me to be quite unsuitable for global application at the level of disagregation that we are currently considering.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Christopher<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">El 7 de agosto de 2018 a las 7:46 Greg Shatan <</span><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

 escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Carlos wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I just don't agree that the sole recommendation of WT5 that is going to be measure

 is a negative one: to restrict delegation of most geographic names. In my view recommendations should be framed in a positive manner, if possible.</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This reminded me that we have so far talked almost exclusively about what are generally

 called "preventive" processes (reserve lists, permission requirements, blocking lists, etc.), and very little about what are generally called "curative" processes (objections, dispute resolution processes, challenge processes, etc.).  By doing so, we've taken

 half the tools out of the toolkit.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I just finished working on the reconvened IGO-INGO Preventive Rights WG where we were

 dealing (at this point) with reserving/restricting national Red Cross/Red Crescent society names.  In this case, a preventive rights approach made sense -- the names of the various national societies are essentially unique, identified only with that one entity,

 third party uses are almost certainly done in bad faith and with bad intent, and there's no real underlying policy disagreement.  In some cases (e.g., name collisions, certain reserved names) there is also a strong technical component.  This is how preventive

 rights have generally been used in ICANN policy -- for "slam-dunk" cases.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There are few, if any, "slam-dunk" cases in our work.  A good case can be made for 2-letter

 letter-letter combinations.  Perhaps a good case can be made for some of the remaining classifications in this first set or potential recommendations.  However, as we move "down the list", so to speak, we get further away from "slam-dunk" situations.  We could

 potentially make more headway on some of the classifications of names if we considered "curative" processes, instead of being so intensely focused on "preventive" rights.  This tends to turn our discussions into "all or nothing" choices -- but this is a false

 menu, since there are other options aside from the binary "all/nothing" that should be on the menu.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Let's keep this in mind as we move forward.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 6:34 PM Robin Gross <</span><a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">robin@ipjustice.org</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">I agree with Paul and think we should declare agreement where we have it, and build on that to find other agreement down the line. 

 The process is supposed to involve incremental steps and building blocks along the way, and that is how we will eventually arrive at a consensus.  To take the “nothing until everything” approach will keep us spinning our wheels indefinitely, cause confusion,

 and risks unexpected results, which is in no one’s interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On Aug 6, 2018, at 2:16 PM, McGrady, Paul D. <</span><a href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">PMcGrady@winston.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I’m a little concerned with the “</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">Nothing

 is agreed until everything is agreed” approach.  This isn’t a contract negotiation, it is a consensus building exercise.  If we have to wait until every topic has been discussed and we think we have 100% agreement on all topics before we take a consensus call

 on individual topics, this WG will never find an end point. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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 <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">><span class="m5934110927270899539m8589503193839125919gmail-m-6234604035014422535m7592807626265123294ox-d4735d55fc-m1757445842593989686apple-converted-space"> </span><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On

 Behalf Of</span></strong><span class="m5934110927270899539m8589503193839125919gmail-m-6234604035014422535m7592807626265123294ox-d4735d55fc-m1757445842593989686apple-converted-space"><b> </b></span></span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="color:purple">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="m5934110927270899539m8589503193839125919gmail-m-6234604035014422535m7592807626265123294ox-d4735d55fc-m1757445842593989686apple-converted-space"> </span>Wilkinson<br>

<strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong><span class="m5934110927270899539m8589503193839125919gmail-m-6234604035014422535m7592807626265123294ox-d4735d55fc-m1757445842593989686apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, August 6,

 2018 4:09 PM<br>

<strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To:</span></strong><span class="m5934110927270899539m8589503193839125919gmail-m-6234604035014422535m7592807626265123294ox-d4735d55fc-m1757445842593989686apple-converted-space"> </span>Martin Sutton <</span><a href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="color:purple">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">><br>

<strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Cc:</span></strong><span class="m5934110927270899539m8589503193839125919gmail-m-6234604035014422535m7592807626265123294ox-d4735d55fc-m1757445842593989686apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br>

<strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Subject:</span></strong><span class="m5934110927270899539m8589503193839125919gmail-m-6234604035014422535m7592807626265123294ox-d4735d55fc-m1757445842593989686apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]

 WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">Dear Co-Leads and Martin:</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">I disagree with the method proposed. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">1. It is premature to start consensus calls on certain restricted topics when other more critical topics have not yet been discussed.<br>

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2.  Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.<br>

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Regards</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">CW</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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 escribió:<br>

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Hi Christopher,</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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 is designed to focus on how we will achieve this and begin to gather recommendations where we find consensus. Item 4 was raised on the last call and members were requested to continue discussions over the email list, although this has been somewhat quiet probably

 due to holiday periods. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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 categories, this will then help towards further discussions on the call. By experience of the discussions relating to non-capital cities, please provide a sound argument/rationale for any suggestions for the group to consider, rather than simply stating a

 request. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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On 6 Aug 2018, at 15:25,<span class="m5934110927270899539m8589503193839125919gmail-m-6234604035014422535m7592807626265123294ox-d4735d55fc-m1757445842593989686apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif;color:purple">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="m5934110927270899539m8589503193839125919gmail-m-6234604035014422535m7592807626265123294ox-d4735d55fc-m1757445842593989686apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif"> </span></span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">Wilkinson

 <</span></span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif;color:purple">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">>

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<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">Dear Co-Leads:  May I request that point 4 of the proposed agenda be moved up to point 1.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">Some participants, including myself, have only persevered with WT5 in-order to discuss the non-AGB terms.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">These include :</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman ,serif",serif">-  all other geographical terms</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On our upcoming call, the leadership team will introduce a work plan aimed at wrapping up WT5’s work

 and delivering an Initial Report by the end of September. In maintaining this timeline, the leadership is seeking to ensure that Work Track 5 inputs can be effectively integrated into the work of the broader New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group

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