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    <p><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__unstats.un.org_unsd_geoinfo_UNGEGN_docs_26th-2Dgegn-2Ddocs_WP_WP54-5FUNGEGN-2520WG-2520Country-2520Names-2520Document-25202011.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mBQzlSaM6eYCHFBU-v48zs-QSrjHB0aWmHuE4X4drzI&m=3RBrAW4mWZcTPVfCD2YJOz3VODn7HkbFx9d59ip1OQ8&s=TLfnTlAegQWCm3YnzQVenw5bkmrnQzGkY0wNxKVA34Y&e="><i><span
            style="color:#1155CC;background:white">Working Paper 54</span></i>
        [unstats.un.org]</a><i><span style="background:white"> is a
          fascinating resource. It does not appear difficult to identify
          the national official languages of countries.</span></i><br>
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    <p>But it has problems. I looked at India which lists English and
      Hindi as official languages. But they don't list the 12 official
      regional languages like Urdu, Bengali, Punjabi -- many thousands
      of people speak these languages and I don't see how we could
      disenfranchise them.  So I am going to go for "official and
      commonly spoken languages" or "official and relevant languages." I
      could also go for "any language" but that's a big door to open.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Marita<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/9/2018 4:35 PM, Emily Barabas
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Jorge,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for laying out these options in a
          clear format. Perhaps it indeed does make sense to take a step
          back and focus not on the text suggested earlier in the week,
          but on the alternatives raised:<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">(1) maintain “all
            languages”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">(2) official
            languages and official UN languages
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">(3) some
            intermediate solution covering all languages commonly used
            in a given country to identify its name… (there could be
            several options: “common languages”; “commonly used
            languages”; “relevant national, regional and community
            languages”, etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">All are encouraged to provide feedback.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Emily<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">"Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch"><Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch></a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Thursday, 9 August 2018 at 16:30<br>
              <b>To: </b>Emily Barabas <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org"><emily.barabas@icann.org></a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">"gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org></a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>[Ext] AW: Additional Input Requested -
              "in any language"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dear Emily</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As a threshold
            consideration: as there is no clear “room consensus” on this
            question I feel that there should be no preference given to
            any of the, as I see, three main options at hand: (1)
            maintain “all languages”; (2) official languages and
            official UN languages; (3) some intermediate solution
            covering all languages commonly used in a given country to
            identify its name… (there could be several options: “common
            languages”; “commonly used languages”; “relevant national,
            regional and community languages”, etc.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Therefore
            either we have the AGB (amended) language for the three main
            options or we have it for none. We cannot just have the
            amended language as “suggested recommendation” reflecting
            only option (2) above.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks for
            considering and best regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Jorge </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span
                lang="DE"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
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                <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Emily Barabas<br>
                <b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 9. August 2018 15:44<br>
                <b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
                <b>Betreff:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Additional Input
                Requested - "in any language"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">On our call yesterday there was some robust
          discussion about draft recommendations 3, 4, and 6, which
          suggest changing “in any language” to
          <span style="color:black">“official languages of the country
            and the official UN languages” for several AGB categories.
            Please reply to this thread to provide additional input on
            the suggested edit</span>s<span style="color:black"> or
            alternate options listed at the bottom of this message. </span>For
          reference, h<span style="color:black">ere is an excerpt of AGB
            text with redline reflecting suggested recommendations:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><i><span
                style="color:#7F7F7F">2.2.1.4.1 Treatment of Country or
                Territory Names</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span
              style="color:black">Applications for strings that are
              country or territory names will not be approved, as they
              are not available under the New gTLD Program in this
              application round. A string shall be considered to be a
              country or territory name if: </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
        <ul type="disc">
          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.25pt;mso-list:l4
            level1 lfo2">
            <i><span style="color:black">it is a long-form name listed
                in the ISO 3166-1 standard, or a translation of the
                long-form name in <s>any language</s> </span><span
                style="color:red">official languages of the country and
                the official UN languages</span><span
                style="color:black">.</span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.25pt;mso-list:l4
            level1 lfo2">
            <i><span style="color:black">it is a short-form name listed
                in the ISO 3166-1 standard, or a translation of the
                short-form name in <s>any language</s> </span><span
                style="color:red">official languages of the country and
                the official UN languages</span><span
                style="color:black">.</span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.25pt;mso-list:l4
            level1 lfo2">
            <i><span style="color:black">it is a separable component of
                a country name designated on the “Separable Country
                Names List,” or is a translation of a name appearing on
                the list, in <s>any language</s> </span><span
                style="color:red">official languages of the country and
                the official UN languages</span><span
                style="color:black">. See the Annex at the end of this
                module.</span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
        </ul>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Below you will find an excerpt from the
          Working Document (<a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1BRzHr2FxSTYHX1I8F3FHSt6Bo1cvJsKyWX8WZXRUXAo_edit&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mBQzlSaM6eYCHFBU-v48zs-QSrjHB0aWmHuE4X4drzI&m=3RBrAW4mWZcTPVfCD2YJOz3VODn7HkbFx9d59ip1OQ8&s=tgdbEifJR44Y-36ksHnuVZJ06y9V_-KbnoOXh1NYOsU&e="
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BRzHr2FxSTYHX1I8F3FHSt6Bo1cvJsKyWX8WZXRUXAo/edit
            [docs.google.com]</a>) highlighting some of the ideas and
          arguments shared on the mailing list and on calls:<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm"><i><span
              style="color:black;background:white">Some Work Track
              members stated that the text “in any language” results in
              a very large number of reserved strings and does not
              provide a clear and objective list that can be used as
              reference. From this perspective, the provision is not
              predictable or transparent. One Work Track member also
              noted that some languages are spoken by very few people,
              therefore reserving representations in all languages may
              not be appropriate. From another perspective, “in any
              language” should remain in place unless there is a factual
              basis for limiting the languages covered in this
              provision. Many languages may be spoken by and relevant to
              communities within a given country, and the list should
              therefore not be limited. Work Track members suggested the
              following possible options as alternatives to “in any
              language”: </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
        <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
          <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1
            lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
            <i><span style="background:white">Limit the list to the
                official UN languages.</span></i>
            <o:p></o:p>
            <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
              <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0
                level2 lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
                <i><span style="background:white">One Work Track member
                    stated that if the UN languages are included, the
                    text should state “including but not limited to
                    official UN languages.”</span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0
                level2 lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
                <i><span style="background:white">Another WT member
                    stated that there are no “official UN languages.”
                    There are “UN working languages.”</span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0
                level2 lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
                <i><span style="background:white">One Work Track member
                    suggested that Portuguese should be added to this
                    list as it is an ICANN language.
                  </span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
            </ul>
          </li>
          <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1
            lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
            <i><span style="background:white">Limit the list to Create a
                list of languages using the official languages of each
                country and official UN languages.</span></i>
            <o:p></o:p>
            <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="circle">
              <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0
                level2 lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
                <i><span style="background:white">Some Work Track
                    members stated that it might be difficult to
                    identify the official languages of each country. One
                    WT member asked in the WT would take on the task of
                    creating such a list.</span></i>
                <o:p></o:p>
                <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square">
                  <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0
                    level3
                    lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
                    <i><span style="background:white">One Work Track
                        member suggested using as a starting point
                      </span></i><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__unstats.un.org_unsd_geoinfo_UNGEGN_docs_26th-2Dgegn-2Ddocs_WP_WP54-5FUNGEGN-2520WG-2520Country-2520Names-2520Document-25202011.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mBQzlSaM6eYCHFBU-v48zs-QSrjHB0aWmHuE4X4drzI&m=3RBrAW4mWZcTPVfCD2YJOz3VODn7HkbFx9d59ip1OQ8&s=TLfnTlAegQWCm3YnzQVenw5bkmrnQzGkY0wNxKVA34Y&e="
                      moz-do-not-send="true"><i><span
                          style="color:#1155CC;background:white">Working
                          Paper 54</span></i> [unstats.un.org]</a><i><span
                        style="background:white"> of the UN Group of
                        Experts on Geographical Names (UNGEGN).</span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
                </ul>
              </li>
              <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0
                level2 lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
                <i><span style="background:white">Another WT member
                    stated that there are no “official UN languages.”
                    There are “UN working languages.”</span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0
                level2 lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
                <i><span style="background:white">From one perspective,
                    the list should not be limited in this way. Official
                    UN languages are largely irrelevant in many
                    countries. Also from this perspective, the concept
                    of official languages only appears in certain
                    countries. In this view, the administrations in many
                    countries use languages that are not official.
                    People of the country also use languages that may
                    not be official, and these languages are important
                    to specific communities.</span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0
                level2 lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
                <i><span style="background:white">Alternate to “official
                    languages” suggested: “official and relevant
                    languages.”</span></i>
                <o:p></o:p>
                <ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="square">
                  <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0
                    level3
                    lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
                    <i><span style="background:white">Example used in
                        relation to “relevant languages”: “We have more
                        than 25% of foreign-born people living in
                        Switzerland. They refer to Switzerland in their
                        languages and scripts. These are relevant
                        languages/scripts that should be covered.”</span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
                </ul>
              </li>
              <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0
                level2 lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
                <i><span style="background:white">Alternate to “official
                    languages” suggested: “official and commonly spoken
                    languages.”</span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0
                level2 lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
                <i><span style="background:white">One Work Track member
                    suggested that Portuguese should be added to this
                    list as it is an ICANN language.
                  </span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
            </ul>
          </li>
          <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1
            lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
            <i><span style="background:white">Develop a list using the </span></i><a
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ethnologue.com_about_language-2Dstatus&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mBQzlSaM6eYCHFBU-v48zs-QSrjHB0aWmHuE4X4drzI&m=3RBrAW4mWZcTPVfCD2YJOz3VODn7HkbFx9d59ip1OQ8&s=b8MTrxrLtgXCvwAkW1Hc6hr0mNf_SYEyuINez9Kgfng&e="
              moz-do-not-send="true"><i><span
                  style="color:#1155CC;background:white">Expanded Graded
                  Intergenerational Disruption Scale and categorization
                  based on Official Recognition</span></i>
              [ethnologue.com]</a><i><span style="background:white">.</span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="color:black;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1
            lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
            <i><span style="background:white">Create an exhaustive
                repository of all country names in all languages.
              </span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal"
            style="color:black;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1
            lfo5;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
            <i><span style="background:white">Change “in any language”
                to “in any script.”</span></i><o:p></o:p></li>
        </ul>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Emily<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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