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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Well, I was thinking
that it would have be very proactive to be fair. Someone would
have to contact each city possibly implicated and explain the
situation. <br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/17/2018 9:24 PM, McGrady, Paul D.
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks
Marita.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">How
is it not practical for cities to pass laws? They pass laws
all the time on issues that are important to them.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marita Moll<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 17, 2018 12:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda,
Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country &
Territory Names - Please review before our call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I totally agree with getting rid of the non-geo use loophole
for large cities - at least those with 1M+ inhabitants.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>It just doesn't make sense that a non-geo use contender could
beat out a collective of over1M people. This is a lot of
people who would be disadvantaged, if it came to a contest.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I don't see the suggestion of having cities pass laws as very
practical. It is within our mandate to make this
recommendation and we should do it, on behalf of millions of
citizens of cities around the world.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Marita<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/17/2018 2:10 PM, Alexander Schubert
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear
WT,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mike
and Farzaneh have a point when they claim “Governments
don’t OWN any of these codes”. And I concur with them:
Governments do not “own” these codes. These codes identify
a “national subdivision” (IS0 3166-Alpha-2) or a
“country”; hence they are identifiers. Not “owned” by
nobody – like the air or the water isn’t “owned” by
anybody. Yet we still strive to PROTECT the air and the
water, right? So it is clean and everybody can use it –
and not one big company can pollute it just to make more
money.<br>
<br>
And that is probably Kavouss’ narrative (a very valuable
one!): <br>
That these codes and names (ISO 3166 Alpha-2 & 3 and
the country names) are important and of utter relevance
for the people of the respective countries and
subdivisions; and can’t simply be “taken” by some brand.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Seemingly
some in this group see “Governments” as kleptomaniac
entities that try to pry as much “public land” out of this
gTLD application process as possible. But try to look at
this from another perspective:<br>
<br>
People are organized in hyper large “tribes” – the largest
organizational entities probably being their countries,
but also states and cities (hence we are protecting
exactly these three silos right now). When I lived in
Germany I felt first and foremost as “Berliner”. As
opposed to for example to “Bavarian” (who are the natural
“enemy” of Berliners). I also felt being German of course.
And European. Berlin, Germany and Europe are extremely
important identifiers for me and my identity. These three
geo-entities obviously need to be governed by the people,
for the people. By a Government of the people. And usually
in Europe that’s how things are set up (sadly outside of
Europe sometimes minorities dictate the majority what to
do – but that’s another issue).<br>
<br>
I expect from the Berlin Government (the capital of
Germany, a German State and on the 3166-2 country
subdivision list), from the German Government and from the
European Commission to make sure that the important
identifiers “.berlin”, “.de”, “.deutschland”, “.germany”,
“.eu” and “.europe” are safeguarded from abuse or
exclusive use by some “brand”! That the respective
authorities make sure that these strings are readily
available for ME as citizen and business owner (not for
the Governments) to aid me in creating domain names that
help identifying my tribe(s). <br>
<br>
I EXPECT that Governments “protect” these strings – ON
BEHALF OF ME and all of the other citizens. This is all
about the needs of THE PEOPLE, Governments are merely
identifying such needs, and aid in protecting them.<br>
<br>
And the Governments are delivering! They do guard these
identifiers – and I shall be thankful for it. Hence it
bewilders me when “brand owners” are attempting to shame
my elected representatives for protecting MY identifiers.
By attacking the “Governments” – in reality you attack the
citizens these Governments have been elected by – and who
they are govern.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">But
I do agree that we ought to reign in the SCOPE of
identifiers; and the degree of protection. By completely
BANNING all country names and 3166 Alpha-3 codes – even if
the relevant Government would happily support such
application – we at ICANN overprotect. It is then not
anymore Governments who stop applications – it is ICANN
that does. ICANN denies Governments to allow entities to
apply. And does that even make sense? Give Governments
some authority – don’t decide ON THEIR BEHALF.<br>
<br>
<b>Which leads me to the one item we still haven’t solved:<br>
What about contention between a SIZEABLE geo-entity
(with a LOT of citizens that want to use such string as
identifier) and a generic term based application or a
brand, or a small geo entity</b>. Examples:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A
city constituent funded and owned .shanghai (24 Million
people city) application vs. a brand “SHANGHAI” that
claims “non-geo use”?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Right
now this would go into normal contention resolution; aka:
either the city constituents raise a lot of money to buy
the brand out; or they go into last resort auction and
like the brand can easily outbid them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A
Dallas, TX (7 Million people metro) city constituent
funded and owned .dallas application vs. a “pseudo city
application” for the city of Texas, Georgia, USA (a real
U.S. city, even if small). Say their Major has been
“bribed” in some way into signing a letter of support!
Such application wouldn’t come from the tiny city itself –
likely some “vulture” would use a loophole here!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As
per the current contention set rules as TWO DIFFERENT
entities provided Government support BOTH applications
would be put on hold – if there was no contention
resolution BOTH applicants would get their application
fees reimbursed. So there is zero risk for the “vulture” –
they can lean back and wait for the offers for a “buy out”
rolling in! These applications would NOT be subjected to
the last resort auction! A LOOPHOLE!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">City
names in contention is a conglomerate of glaring
loopholes. Brands and vultures can declare “non-geo use” –
and outbid the city constituents! A city community owned
and funded application is always financially “weak” – as
they have to make all kinds of concessions to the city
usually. The worst case is somebody coercing a small city
major into signing a letter of support – and forcing the
applicants for a large city to buy them out. If such
applicant is lucky, nobody applied for the large city –
and he has a city designated gTLD – and would be allowed
to MARKET it as city TLD! GREAT. The citizens of the large
city are wholly unprotected from exploitation. If both
cities are in ONE country – maybe national law can help.
But if they are in different countries?<br>
<br>
We need to better protect the larger city-populations
(people who live in sizable cities). We create all kinds
of protections for 3-lettercodes or country subdivisions –
but we do not protect these very large geo-communities
very good. Why? Inconsistent. It is OK that we have the
“non-geo use provision in place for small cities”. But
SIZEABLE cities need a protection equal to country
subdivisions (elimination of non-geo use). Even if we
were to define “sizable” at a real high number. Million
people cities mean: at least a million people that
identify with the name! At least a million people who are
robbed of their possibility to use city-based gTLD
domains. A city robbed of their possibility to conduct
city destination marketing, eGovernment and similar things
under one nice identifier (usually cities reserve strings
for official use, such as 911.city, townhall.city,
visit.city, etc).<br>
<br>
Question: If a “brand” (whatever the definition is –
probably a simple TM registration for US $250 does the
trick) claims a string; and is in contention with a
sizeable city:<br>
If we keep the “non-geo use” loophole alive; what can the
citizens of such city do? Does the current AGB provide for
a successful path in “objection” (so called “curative
rights”)? Or wouldn’t the brand simply declare that they
have “TM rights” – thus the objection would be
unsubstantiated? Lawyers here: Would a city objection
against a brand application have ANY chance of success?
Please be honest! I know you are fiercely defending your
position – but I also know that you are honest: how would
you defend a brand against such objection? Would you
simply cave in?<br>
<br>
We have soon the “consensus call” on city applications –
but I don’t see that we have a clear understanding of the
implications of contentions. Yes: in the 2012 round there
were no problems. But then only a small percentage of
brands claimed their strings, and only a few cities (of
which many were capitals) did so. The next wave will
contain more brands and less capitals but WAY more cities
– plus “tricksters” will try to make a buck: We need to
pay more attention.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Arasteh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 17. August 2018 08:35<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Rodenbaugh <a
href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><mike@rodenbaugh.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Edmon <a href="mailto:edmon@dot.asia"
moz-do-not-send="true"><edmon@dot.asia></a>;
leonard obonyo via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda,
Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country &
Territory Names - Please review before our call.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear All<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes they are valuable for those
countries too<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There should be a fair treatment of
these TLDs but not over warehousing for merely commercial
and brand purposes<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Alexander’s suggestion may be a middle
ground solution <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 17 Aug 2018, at 03:08, Mike Rodenbaugh <<a
href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That over 600 very valuable 2-
and 3-letter combos that could be TLDs, and yet are
reserved for no legitimate reason. Countries
certainly don't own LL codes that don't correspond
to current countries. And they also don't "own" the
3-letter codes that do show up on an ISO list,
merely because they are on that list. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems to me that many in
this group are reopening the discussion as to all
other 'geo' terms, and so these valuable names
need to be thrown back into the mix as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RODENBAUGH
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 8:22 PM,
Nick Wenban-Smith <<a
href="mailto:Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Hi Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Just to take the point here,
the LL (all combinations 26 x 26 = 676 in
total, of which approaching half are
already in use as ccTLDs) plus the ISO
3166 alpha 3 LLL combinations which
correspond to existing country and
territory names (less than 300 of the
17,500 odd LLL combinations) can’t in any
reasonable context be framed as ‘a large
subset … reserved for no reasons
whatsoever’.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Up until now there seems to
be a strong consensus for the long and
short form country and territory names
plus all the LL combinations and LLL
combinations which correspond to ISO 3166
to continue to be excluded from any gTLD
processes – for the reasons expressed on
many threads up to this point about
sovereignty over national assets and
whether these could fall under domestic
internet community policies (subsidiarity)
or ICANN GNSO policies. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">If we can’t settle on that as
for the 2012 AGB round then there will be
a substantial opposition to any new gTLDs
whatsoever so let’s not go there.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">I’ve said my piece on geo
names falling below the hierarchy of
capital cities; I think those are fair
game for legit non geo uses.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Best wishes</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 August 2018 03:35<br>
<b>To:</b> Edmon <<a
href="mailto:edmon@dot.asia"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">edmon@dot.asia</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> leonard obonyo via
Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call
on Country & Territory Names - Please
review before our call.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Note the first sentence in
the RFC that Alexander cites: "This
memo provides information for the
Internet community. This memo</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><span lang="EN-GB"> does not specify an Internet standard of any kind."</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Since this WT5 appears to
want to reopen every "geographic"
issue imaginable, we need to add
2-character LL and 3-character geo
TLDs to the mix. That is a large
subset of potentially very valuable
and useful names, reserved for no
legitimate reason whatsoever.<br
clear="all">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Mike
Rodenbaugh</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">RODENBAUGH
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at
5:32 PM, Edmon <<a
href="mailto:edmon@dot.asia"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">edmon@dot.asia</a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">IDN "cc"TLDs already
broke (free from) that also.<br>
Edmon<br>
<br>
<br>
-------- Original Message --------<br>
From: Mike Rodenbaugh <<a
href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com"
target="_blank"
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Sent: 10 August 2018 2:43:34 AM
GMT+10:00<br>
To: Alexander Schubert <<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>><br>
Cc: "<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
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moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>"
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
WT5 Agenda, Work Plan &
Consensus Call on Country &
Territory Names - Please review
before our call.<br>
<br>
What purpose does that distinction
serve anyone? I think it is
meaningless<br>
and entirely unnecessary,
depriving the world of many very
valuable<br>
two-character TLDs that have no
reason to be sitting idle.<br>
<br>
Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
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On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 2:57 AM,
Alexander Schubert <<br>
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href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Dear Annabeth, dear Carlos,<br>
><br>
> I agree with Annabeth. RFC
1591 (who doesn't know it by
heart: check<br>
> <a
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ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt</a>)
cemented the one and only real
differentiator<br>
> in the DNS:<br>
> That there are ccTLDs;
operated and organized by
authority (which may be<br>
> deligated like in .tv) of
countries/nations. And that these
are two<br>
> character strings. That
everything exceeding two
characters are gTLDs.<br>
><br>
> If we want to keep this
(rather artificial - but to date
well working)<br>
> BASE order of the DNS; we
should refrain from assigning two
character<br>
> gTLDs. It's a TINY amount of
potentially available strings
anyway.<br>
><br>
> The two character vs more
than two character distinction
needs to be<br>
> uphold; BOTH WAYS (no three
letter ccTLDs).<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Alexander<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Sent from my Samsung device<br>
><br>
><br>
> -------- Original message
--------<br>
> From: Annebeth Lange <<a
href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">annebeth.lange@norid.no</a>><br>
> Date: 8/8/18 23:48
(GMT+02:00)<br>
> To: Carlos Raul Gutierrez
<<a
href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a>><br>
> Cc: <a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda,
Work Plan & Consensus Call<br>
> on Country & Territory
Names - Please review before our
call.<br>
><br>
> Hi Carlos<br>
><br>
> Could I ask you for one
clarification? If we open up for
some<br>
> 2-letter/letter combinations
in the GNSO process, they will
automatically<br>
> be gTLDs. You don’t think
that will disturb the distinction
we have had<br>
> from the beginning that
2-characters are ccTLDs and 3 or
more gTLDs?<br>
><br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> Annebeth<br>
><br>
><br>
> Annebeth B Lange<br>
> Special Adviser International
Policy<br>
> UNINETT Norid AS<br>
> Phone: +47 959 11 559<br>
> Mail: <a
href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">annebeth.lange@norid.no</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 8. aug. 2018 kl. 22:43 skrev
Carlos Raul Gutierrez <<br>
> <a
href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a>>:<br>
><br>
> My comments to today's call:<br>
><br>
> 1. “The ICANN Community may
want to consider whether a future
process<br>
> should be established or
determine if, when, and how
specific interested<br>
> parties, such as relevant
government authorities, may apply
for country and<br>
> territory names” This
paragraph is the only sensible
part of a<br>
> forward-looking
recommendation and should/could be
redrafted. I wonder if<br>
> it could be enhanced, or if
the only way to go is deletion as
CW<br>
> suggested. A shorter more
concise version? A more “liberal”
version? How<br>
> about: “ICANN may consider
applications by specific
interested parties,<br>
> such as relevant authorities,
of strings that are not current or
future<br>
> countries or territories.”
Ps: The text in Recommendation 1
“reserving ALL<br>
> two character letter letter”
combinations- can be enhanced. I
wonder if<br>
> it’s truly ALL, or if the
potential for future countries and
potential<br>
> combinations is really much
less broad? Could that be
qualified somehow? I<br>
> can’t think of a future .xx
or .ññ country or territory and
maybe we could<br>
> tweak the language to open
this a bit and garner broad
community support to<br>
> move forward.<br>
><br>
> 2. Other than recommendation
#1, I object strongly the text to
"keep geo<br>
> names from the delegation" in
any other recommedation, unless a
clear<br>
> rationale is added to the
recommendation<br>
><br>
><br>
> 3. I hope no draft goes out
before a substantial non-AGB names
discussion<br>
> has taken place, including to
geographic related, cultural,
linguistic and<br>
> other social elements, ,like
Apache Nation<br>
><br>
><br>
> Best regards<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ---<br>
> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br>
> <a
href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a><br>
> +506 8837 7176<br>
> Aparatado 1571-1000<br>
> COSTA RICA<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> El 2018-08-08 05:09, Emily
Barabas escribió:<br>
><br>
> Dear Work Track members,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Please find attached
suggested revisions to the draft
recommendations<br>
> shared yesterday. Please note
that this revised text includes<br>
> clarifications and typo
corrections only. Feedback on some
of the more<br>
> substantive issues will be
discussed further on today's call.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Kind regards,<br>
><br>
> Emily<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *From: *Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
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href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"
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on<br>
> behalf of Martin Sutton <<a
href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>><br>
> *Date: *Monday, 6 August 2018
at 14:45<br>
> *To: *"<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>"
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> *Subject:
*[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda,
Work Plan & Consensus Call<br>
> on Country & Territory
Names - Please review before our
call.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear Work Track members,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Please find below the
proposed agenda for the WT5 call
on Wednesday 8<br>
> August at 13:00 UTC:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 1. Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI
Updates<br>
> 2. Review of Consensus Call
Process and Work Plan<br>
> 3. Consensus Call on Country
and Territory Names<br>
> 4. Wrap Up - Non-AGB Terms<br>
> 5. AOB<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On our upcoming call, the
leadership team will introduce a
work plan aimed<br>
> at wrapping up WT5's work and
delivering an Initial Report by
the end of<br>
> September. In maintaining
this timeline, the leadership is
seeking to<br>
> ensure that Work Track 5
inputs can be effectively
integrated into the work<br>
> of the broader New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures PDP Working
Group in time for<br>
> delivery of the PDP's Final
Report. A copy of the work plan is
attached.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> As outlined in the work plan,
the leadership team will be
holding a series<br>
> of consensus calls on
potential recommendations to
include in WT5's Initial<br>
> Report. These will be
introduced in clusters, with the
first set of<br>
> recommendations focusing on
country and territory names. The
draft<br>
> recommendations, which will
be discussed on Wednesday, are
attached. *Work<br>
> Track members are encouraged
to review and provide feedback on
these draft<br>
> recommendations prior to the
call on Wednesday*. The leadership
team will<br>
> officially open the consensus
call on this topic following
Wednesday's<br>
> call. For more information on
the consensus call process that
will be<br>
> followed, please see the GNSO
Working Group Guidelines, Section
3.6:<br>
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