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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I totally agree with
getting rid of the non-geo use loophole for large cities - at
least those with 1M+ inhabitants.<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> It just doesn't make
sense that a non-geo use contender could beat out a collective
of over1M people. This is a lot of people who would be
disadvantaged, if it came to a contest. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I don't see the
suggestion of having cities pass laws as very practical. It is
within our mandate to make this recommendation and we should do
it, on behalf of millions of citizens of cities around the
world. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/17/2018 2:10 PM, Alexander
Schubert wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear
WT,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mike
and Farzaneh have a point when they claim “Governments don’t
OWN any of these codes”. And I concur with them: Governments
do not “own” these codes. These codes identify a “national
subdivision” (IS0 3166-Alpha-2) or a “country”; hence they
are identifiers. Not “owned” by nobody – like the air or the
water isn’t “owned” by anybody. Yet we still strive to
PROTECT the air and the water, right? So it is clean and
everybody can use it – and not one big company can pollute
it just to make more money.<br>
<br>
And that is probably Kavouss’ narrative (a very valuable
one!): <br>
That these codes and names (ISO 3166 Alpha-2 & 3 and the
country names) are important and of utter relevance for the
people of the respective countries and subdivisions; and
can’t simply be “taken” by some brand.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Seemingly
some in this group see “Governments” as kleptomaniac
entities that try to pry as much “public land” out of this
gTLD application process as possible. But try to look at
this from another perspective:<br>
<br>
People are organized in hyper large “tribes” – the largest
organizational entities probably being their countries, but
also states and cities (hence we are protecting exactly
these three silos right now). When I lived in Germany I felt
first and foremost as “Berliner”. As opposed to for example
to “Bavarian” (who are the natural “enemy” of Berliners). I
also felt being German of course. And European. Berlin,
Germany and Europe are extremely important identifiers for
me and my identity. These three geo-entities obviously need
to be governed by the people, for the people. By a
Government of the people. And usually in Europe that’s how
things are set up (sadly outside of Europe sometimes
minorities dictate the majority what to do – but that’s
another issue).<br>
<br>
I expect from the Berlin Government (the capital of Germany,
a German State and on the 3166-2 country subdivision list),
from the German Government and from the European Commission
to make sure that the important identifiers “.berlin”,
“.de”, “.deutschland”, “.germany”, “.eu” and “.europe” are
safeguarded from abuse or exclusive use by some “brand”!
That the respective authorities make sure that these strings
are readily available for ME as citizen and business owner
(not for the Governments) to aid me in creating domain names
that help identifying my tribe(s). <br>
<br>
I EXPECT that Governments “protect” these strings – ON
BEHALF OF ME and all of the other citizens. This is all
about the needs of THE PEOPLE, Governments are merely
identifying such needs, and aid in protecting them.<br>
<br>
And the Governments are delivering! They do guard these
identifiers – and I shall be thankful for it. Hence it
bewilders me when “brand owners” are attempting to shame my
elected representatives for protecting MY identifiers. By
attacking the “Governments” – in reality you attack the
citizens these Governments have been elected by – and who
they are govern. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">But
I do agree that we ought to reign in the SCOPE of
identifiers; and the degree of protection. By completely
BANNING all country names and 3166 Alpha-3 codes – even if
the relevant Government would happily support such
application – we at ICANN overprotect. It is then not
anymore Governments who stop applications – it is ICANN that
does. ICANN denies Governments to allow entities to apply.
And does that even make sense? Give Governments some
authority – don’t decide ON THEIR BEHALF.<br>
<br>
<b>Which leads me to the one item we still haven’t solved:<br>
What about contention between a SIZEABLE geo-entity (with
a LOT of citizens that want to use such string as
identifier) and a generic term based application or a
brand, or a small geo entity</b>. Examples:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A
city constituent funded and owned .shanghai (24 Million
people city) application vs. a brand “SHANGHAI” that claims
“non-geo use”? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Right
now this would go into normal contention resolution; aka:
either the city constituents raise a lot of money to buy the
brand out; or they go into last resort auction and like the
brand can easily outbid them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A
Dallas, TX (7 Million people metro) city constituent funded
and owned .dallas application vs. a “pseudo city
application” for the city of Texas, Georgia, USA (a real
U.S. city, even if small). Say their Major has been
“bribed” in some way into signing a letter of support! Such
application wouldn’t come from the tiny city itself – likely
some “vulture” would use a loophole here!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As
per the current contention set rules as TWO DIFFERENT
entities provided Government support BOTH applications would
be put on hold – if there was no contention resolution BOTH
applicants would get their application fees reimbursed. So
there is zero risk for the “vulture” – they can lean back
and wait for the offers for a “buy out” rolling in! These
applications would NOT be subjected to the last resort
auction! A LOOPHOLE!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">City
names in contention is a conglomerate of glaring loopholes.
Brands and vultures can declare “non-geo use” – and outbid
the city constituents! A city community owned and funded
application is always financially “weak” – as they have to
make all kinds of concessions to the city usually. The worst
case is somebody coercing a small city major into signing a
letter of support – and forcing the applicants for a large
city to buy them out. If such applicant is lucky, nobody
applied for the large city – and he has a city designated
gTLD – and would be allowed to MARKET it as city TLD! GREAT.
The citizens of the large city are wholly unprotected from
exploitation. If both cities are in ONE country – maybe
national law can help. But if they are in different
countries?<br>
<br>
We need to better protect the larger city-populations
(people who live in sizable cities). We create all kinds of
protections for 3-lettercodes or country subdivisions – but
we do not protect these very large geo-communities very
good. Why? Inconsistent. It is OK that we have the “non-geo
use provision in place for small cities”. But SIZEABLE
cities need a protection equal to country subdivisions
(elimination of non-geo use). Even if we were to define
“sizable” at a real high number. Million people cities mean:
at least a million people that identify with the name! At
least a million people who are robbed of their possibility
to use city-based gTLD domains. A city robbed of their
possibility to conduct city destination marketing,
eGovernment and similar things under one nice identifier
(usually cities reserve strings for official use, such as
911.city, townhall.city, visit.city, etc).<br>
<br>
Question: If a “brand” (whatever the definition is –
probably a simple TM registration for US $250 does the
trick) claims a string; and is in contention with a sizeable
city:<br>
If we keep the “non-geo use” loophole alive; what can the
citizens of such city do? Does the current AGB provide for a
successful path in “objection” (so called “curative
rights”)? Or wouldn’t the brand simply declare that they
have “TM rights” – thus the objection would be
unsubstantiated? Lawyers here: Would a city objection
against a brand application have ANY chance of success?
Please be honest! I know you are fiercely defending your
position – but I also know that you are honest: how would
you defend a brand against such objection? Would you simply
cave in?<br>
<br>
We have soon the “consensus call” on city applications – but
I don’t see that we have a clear understanding of the
implications of contentions. Yes: in the 2012 round there
were no problems. But then only a small percentage of brands
claimed their strings, and only a few cities (of which many
were capitals) did so. The next wave will contain more
brands and less capitals but WAY more cities – plus
“tricksters” will try to make a buck: We need to pay more
attention. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><br>
<br>
Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Alexander<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Arasteh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 17. August 2018 08:35<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Rodenbaugh <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com"><mike@rodenbaugh.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Edmon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:edmon@dot.asia"><edmon@dot.asia></a>; leonard obonyo
via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda,
Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country &
Territory Names - Please review before our call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear All<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes they are valuable for those countries
too<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There should be a fair treatment of these
TLDs but not over warehousing for merely commercial and
brand purposes<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Alexander’s suggestion may be a middle
ground solution <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 17 Aug 2018, at 03:08, Mike Rodenbaugh <<a
href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" moz-do-not-send="true">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That over 600 very valuable 2- and
3-letter combos that could be TLDs, and yet are
reserved for no legitimate reason. Countries
certainly don't own LL codes that don't correspond to
current countries. And they also don't "own" the
3-letter codes that do show up on an ISO list, merely
because they are on that list. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems to me that many in this
group are reopening the discussion as to all other
'geo' terms, and so these valuable names need to be
thrown back into the mix as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Mike
Rodenbaugh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RODENBAUGH
LAW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">tel/fax:
+1.415.738.8087<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="http://rodenbaugh.com"
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 8:22 PM,
Nick Wenban-Smith <<a
href="mailto:Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Hi Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Just to take the point here,
the LL (all combinations 26 x 26 = 676 in
total, of which approaching half are already
in use as ccTLDs) plus the ISO 3166 alpha 3
LLL combinations which correspond to
existing country and territory names (less
than 300 of the 17,500 odd LLL combinations)
can’t in any reasonable context be framed as
‘a large subset … reserved for no reasons
whatsoever’.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Up until now there seems to be
a strong consensus for the long and short
form country and territory names plus all
the LL combinations and LLL combinations
which correspond to ISO 3166 to continue to
be excluded from any gTLD processes – for
the reasons expressed on many threads up to
this point about sovereignty over national
assets and whether these could fall under
domestic internet community policies
(subsidiarity) or ICANN GNSO policies. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">If we can’t settle on that as
for the 2012 AGB round then there will be a
substantial opposition to any new gTLDs
whatsoever so let’s not go there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">I’ve said my piece on geo names
falling below the hierarchy of capital
cities; I think those are fair game for
legit non geo uses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Best wishes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 August 2018 03:35<br>
<b>To:</b> Edmon <<a
href="mailto:edmon@dot.asia" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">edmon@dot.asia</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> leonard obonyo via
Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5
Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on
Country & Territory Names - Please review
before our call.<span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Note the first sentence in
the RFC that Alexander cites: "<span
style="color:black">This memo provides
information for the Internet community.
This memo</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"> does not specify an Internet standard of any kind."</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">Since this WT5 appears to
want to reopen every "geographic" issue
imaginable, we need to add 2-character
LL and 3-character geo TLDs to the mix.
That is a large subset of potentially
very valuable and useful names, reserved
for no legitimate reason whatsoever.<br
clear="all">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Mike
Rodenbaugh</span><span
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">RODENBAUGH
LAW</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">tel/fax:
+1.415.738.8087</span><span
lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at
5:32 PM, Edmon <<a
href="mailto:edmon@dot.asia"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">edmon@dot.asia</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-GB">IDN "cc"TLDs already
broke (free from) that also.<br>
Edmon<br>
<br>
<br>
-------- Original Message --------<br>
From: Mike Rodenbaugh <<a
href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com"
target="_blank"
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Sent: 10 August 2018 2:43:34 AM
GMT+10:00<br>
To: Alexander Schubert <<a
href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>><br>
Cc: "<a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>"
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
WT5 Agenda, Work Plan &
Consensus Call on Country &
Territory Names - Please review
before our call.<br>
<br>
What purpose does that distinction
serve anyone? I think it is
meaningless<br>
and entirely unnecessary, depriving
the world of many very valuable<br>
two-character TLDs that have no
reason to be sitting idle.<br>
<br>
Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
RODENBAUGH LAW<br>
tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087<br>
<a href="http://rodenbaugh.com"
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<br>
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 2:57 AM,
Alexander Schubert <<br>
<a
href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Dear Annabeth, dear Carlos,<br>
><br>
> I agree with Annabeth. RFC 1591
(who doesn't know it by heart: check<br>
> <a
href="http://ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt</a>)
cemented the one and only real
differentiator<br>
> in the DNS:<br>
> That there are ccTLDs; operated
and organized by authority (which
may be<br>
> deligated like in .tv) of
countries/nations. And that these
are two<br>
> character strings. That
everything exceeding two characters
are gTLDs.<br>
><br>
> If we want to keep this (rather
artificial - but to date well
working)<br>
> BASE order of the DNS; we
should refrain from assigning two
character<br>
> gTLDs. It's a TINY amount of
potentially available strings
anyway.<br>
><br>
> The two character vs more than
two character distinction needs to
be<br>
> uphold; BOTH WAYS (no three
letter ccTLDs).<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Alexander<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Sent from my Samsung device<br>
><br>
><br>
> -------- Original message
--------<br>
> From: Annebeth Lange <<a
href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">annebeth.lange@norid.no</a>><br>
> Date: 8/8/18 23:48 (GMT+02:00)<br>
> To: Carlos Raul Gutierrez <<a
href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a>><br>
> Cc: <a
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda,
Work Plan & Consensus Call<br>
> on Country & Territory
Names - Please review before our
call.<br>
><br>
> Hi Carlos<br>
><br>
> Could I ask you for one
clarification? If we open up for
some<br>
> 2-letter/letter combinations in
the GNSO process, they will
automatically<br>
> be gTLDs. You don’t think that
will disturb the distinction we have
had<br>
> from the beginning that
2-characters are ccTLDs and 3 or
more gTLDs?<br>
><br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> Annebeth<br>
><br>
><br>
> Annebeth B Lange<br>
> Special Adviser International
Policy<br>
> UNINETT Norid AS<br>
> Phone: +47 959 11 559<br>
> Mail: <a
href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">annebeth.lange@norid.no</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 8. aug. 2018 kl. 22:43 skrev
Carlos Raul Gutierrez <<br>
> <a
href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a>>:<br>
><br>
> My comments to today's call:<br>
><br>
> 1. “The ICANN Community may
want to consider whether a future
process<br>
> should be established or
determine if, when, and how specific
interested<br>
> parties, such as relevant
government authorities, may apply
for country and<br>
> territory names” This paragraph
is the only sensible part of a<br>
> forward-looking recommendation
and should/could be redrafted. I
wonder if<br>
> it could be enhanced, or if the
only way to go is deletion as CW<br>
> suggested. A shorter more
concise version? A more “liberal”
version? How<br>
> about: “ICANN may consider
applications by specific interested
parties,<br>
> such as relevant authorities,
of strings that are not current or
future<br>
> countries or territories.” Ps:
The text in Recommendation 1
“reserving ALL<br>
> two character letter letter”
combinations- can be enhanced. I
wonder if<br>
> it’s truly ALL, or if the
potential for future countries and
potential<br>
> combinations is really much
less broad? Could that be qualified
somehow? I<br>
> can’t think of a future .xx or
.ññ country or territory and maybe
we could<br>
> tweak the language to open this
a bit and garner broad community
support to<br>
> move forward.<br>
><br>
> 2. Other than recommendation
#1, I object strongly the text to
"keep geo<br>
> names from the delegation" in
any other recommedation, unless a
clear<br>
> rationale is added to the
recommendation<br>
><br>
><br>
> 3. I hope no draft goes out
before a substantial non-AGB names
discussion<br>
> has taken place, including to
geographic related, cultural,
linguistic and<br>
> other social elements, ,like
Apache Nation<br>
><br>
><br>
> Best regards<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ---<br>
> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br>
> <a
href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a><br>
> +506 8837 7176<br>
> Aparatado 1571-1000<br>
> COSTA RICA<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> El 2018-08-08 05:09, Emily
Barabas escribió:<br>
><br>
> Dear Work Track members,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Please find attached suggested
revisions to the draft
recommendations<br>
> shared yesterday. Please note
that this revised text includes<br>
> clarifications and typo
corrections only. Feedback on some
of the more<br>
> substantive issues will be
discussed further on today's call.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Kind regards,<br>
><br>
> Emily<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> *From: *Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
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on<br>
> behalf of Martin Sutton <<a
href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>><br>
> *Date: *Monday, 6 August 2018
at 14:45<br>
> *To: *"<a
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target="_blank"
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> *Subject:
*[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda,
Work Plan & Consensus Call<br>
> on Country & Territory
Names - Please review before our
call.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear Work Track members,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Please find below the proposed
agenda for the WT5 call on Wednesday
8<br>
> August at 13:00 UTC:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 1. Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI
Updates<br>
> 2. Review of Consensus Call
Process and Work Plan<br>
> 3. Consensus Call on Country
and Territory Names<br>
> 4. Wrap Up - Non-AGB Terms<br>
> 5. AOB<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On our upcoming call, the
leadership team will introduce a
work plan aimed<br>
> at wrapping up WT5's work and
delivering an Initial Report by the
end of<br>
> September. In maintaining this
timeline, the leadership is seeking
to<br>
> ensure that Work Track 5 inputs
can be effectively integrated into
the work<br>
> of the broader New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures PDP Working
Group in time for<br>
> delivery of the PDP's Final
Report. A copy of the work plan is
attached.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> As outlined in the work plan,
the leadership team will be holding
a series<br>
> of consensus calls on potential
recommendations to include in WT5's
Initial<br>
> Report. These will be
introduced in clusters, with the
first set of<br>
> recommendations focusing on
country and territory names. The
draft<br>
> recommendations, which will be
discussed on Wednesday, are
attached. *Work<br>
> Track members are encouraged to
review and provide feedback on these
draft<br>
> recommendations prior to the
call on Wednesday*. The leadership
team will<br>
> officially open the consensus
call on this topic following
Wednesday's<br>
> call. For more information on
the consensus call process that will
be<br>
> followed, please see the GNSO
Working Group Guidelines, Section
3.6:<br>
> <a
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target="_blank"
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