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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Sorry Greg, no
        intention to be prejudicial. I am not arguing that the non-geo
        use clause be closed entirely. I am suggesting that it not be
        available in the case of very large cities. If we are talking
        about cities of 1M people, that's about 500-600 cities, defined
        by an authoritative list we agree on. A good number will already
        be reserved as capital cities. <br>
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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">The word inventory
        makes it sound huge, like thousands of names are involved.
        That's not the case. It is very limited. I don't see that as an
        unreasonable compromise.</font></p>
    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/20/2018 1:20 AM, Greg Shatan
      wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="auto">I object to calling this feature a “loophole.”
             That is both prejudicial and incorrect as well.  What we
            have is a reasonable limit on the Consent right that was
            given to non-capitol cities in the prior round.</div>
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      <div dir="auto">From an end-user perspective, there is no
        presumption that a geo-use is superior to any other possible use
        of a given string.</div>
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      <div dir="auto">From a city perspective, nothing we are doing here
        limits the ability of a city to apply for a string related to
        their city name.  We are just not reserving numerous
        possibilities exclusively for their choice when or if they look
        into the idea of a TLD.  And we are not reserving “inventory”
        for private businesses that consult in the geo-name space.  That
        would truly be outside our remit.</div>
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      <div dir="auto">Best regards,</div>
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      <div dir="auto">Greg</div>
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            <div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:54 PM Marita Moll
              <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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                <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I totally
                    agree with getting rid of the non-geo use loophole
                    for large cities - at least those with 1M+
                    inhabitants.<br>
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                <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> It just
                    doesn't make sense that a non-geo use contender
                    could beat out a collective of over1M people. This
                    is a lot of people who would be disadvantaged, if it
                    came to a contest. <br>
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                <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I don't
                    see the suggestion of having cities pass laws as
                    very practical. It is within our mandate to make
                    this recommendation and we should do it, on behalf
                    of millions of citizens of cities around the world.
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                <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
                </p>
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                <div
                  class="m_-8281451006298984630m_-8285247595732267424moz-cite-prefix">On
                  8/17/2018 2:10 PM, Alexander Schubert wrote:<br>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><a
                        name="m_-8281451006298984630_m_-8285247595732267424__MailEndCompose"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Dear
                          WT,</span></a></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Mike
                        and Farzaneh have a point when they claim
                        “Governments don’t OWN any of these codes”. And
                        I concur with them: Governments do not “own”
                        these codes. These codes identify a “national
                        subdivision” (IS0 3166-Alpha-2) or a “country”;
                        hence they are identifiers. Not “owned” by
                        nobody – like the air or the water isn’t “owned”
                        by anybody. Yet we still strive to PROTECT the
                        air and the water, right? So it is clean and
                        everybody can use it – and not one big company
                        can pollute it just to make more money.<br>
                        <br>
                        And that is probably Kavouss’ narrative (a very
                        valuable one!): <br>
                        That these codes and names (ISO 3166 Alpha-2
                        & 3 and the country names) are important and
                        of utter relevance for the people of the
                        respective countries and subdivisions; and can’t
                        simply be “taken” by some brand.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Seemingly
                        some in this group see “Governments” as
                        kleptomaniac entities that try to pry as much
                        “public land” out of this gTLD application
                        process as possible. But try to look at this
                        from another perspective:<br>
                        <br>
                        People are organized in hyper large “tribes” –
                        the largest organizational entities probably
                        being their countries, but also states and
                        cities (hence we are protecting exactly these
                        three silos right now). When I lived in Germany
                        I felt first and foremost as “Berliner”. As
                        opposed to for example to “Bavarian” (who are
                        the natural “enemy” of Berliners). I also felt
                        being German of course. And European. Berlin,
                        Germany and Europe are extremely important
                        identifiers for me and my identity. These three
                        geo-entities obviously need to be governed by
                        the people, for the people. By a Government of
                        the people. And usually in Europe that’s how
                        things are set up (sadly outside of Europe
                        sometimes minorities dictate the majority what
                        to do – but that’s another issue).<br>
                        <br>
                        I expect from the Berlin Government (the capital
                        of Germany, a German State and on the 3166-2
                        country subdivision list), from the German
                        Government and from the European Commission to
                        make sure that the important identifiers
                        “.berlin”, “.de”, “.deutschland”, “.germany”,
                        “.eu” and “.europe” are safeguarded from abuse
                        or exclusive use by some “brand”! That the
                        respective authorities make sure that these
                        strings are readily available for ME as citizen
                        and business owner (not for the Governments) to
                        aid me in creating domain names that help
                        identifying my tribe(s). <br>
                        <br>
                        I EXPECT that Governments “protect” these
                        strings – ON BEHALF OF ME and all of the other
                        citizens. This is all about the needs of THE
                        PEOPLE, Governments are merely identifying such
                        needs, and aid in protecting them.<br>
                        <br>
                        And the Governments are delivering! They do
                        guard these identifiers – and I shall be
                        thankful for it. Hence it bewilders me when
                        “brand owners” are attempting to shame my
                        elected representatives for protecting MY
                        identifiers. By attacking the “Governments” – in
                        reality you attack the citizens these
                        Governments have been elected by – and who they
                        are govern. </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">But
                        I do agree that we ought to reign in the SCOPE
                        of identifiers; and the degree of protection. By
                        completely BANNING all country names and 3166
                        Alpha-3 codes – even if the relevant Government
                        would happily support such application – we at
                        ICANN overprotect. It is then not anymore
                        Governments who stop applications – it is ICANN
                        that does. ICANN denies Governments to allow
                        entities to apply. And does that even make
                        sense? Give Governments some authority – don’t
                        decide ON THEIR BEHALF.<br>
                        <br>
                        <b>Which leads me to the one item we still
                          haven’t solved:<br>
                          What about contention between a SIZEABLE
                          geo-entity (with a LOT of citizens that want
                          to use such string as identifier) and a
                          generic term based application or a brand, or
                          a small geo entity</b>. Examples:</span></p>
                    <p
                      class="m_-8281451006298984630m_-8285247595732267424MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span
                            style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                            Roman"">        </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">A
                        city constituent funded and owned .shanghai (24
                        Million people city) application vs. a brand
                        “SHANGHAI” that claims “non-geo use”? </span></p>
                    <p
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                      style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span><span>o<span
                            style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                            Roman"">   </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Right
                        now this would go into normal contention
                        resolution; aka: either the city constituents
                        raise a lot of money to buy the brand out; or
                        they go into last resort auction and like the
                        brand can easily outbid them.</span></p>
                    <p
                      class="m_-8281451006298984630m_-8285247595732267424MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span
                            style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                            Roman"">        </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">A
                        Dallas, TX (7 Million people metro) city
                        constituent funded and owned .dallas application
                        vs. a “pseudo city application” for the city of
                        Texas, Georgia, USA (a real U.S.  city, even if
                        small). Say their Major has been “bribed” in
                        some way into signing a letter of support! Such
                        application wouldn’t come from the tiny city
                        itself – likely some “vulture” would use a
                        loophole here!</span></p>
                    <p
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                      style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span><span>o<span
                            style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                            Roman"">   </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">As
                        per the current contention set rules as TWO
                        DIFFERENT entities provided Government support
                        BOTH applications would be put on hold – if
                        there was no contention resolution BOTH
                        applicants would get their application fees
                        reimbursed. So there is zero risk for the
                        “vulture” – they can lean back and wait for the
                        offers for a “buy out” rolling in! These
                        applications would NOT be subjected to the last
                        resort auction! A LOOPHOLE!</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">City
                        names in contention is a conglomerate of glaring
                        loopholes. Brands and vultures can declare
                        “non-geo use” – and outbid the city
                        constituents! A city community owned and funded
                        application is always financially “weak” – as
                        they have to make all kinds of concessions to
                        the city usually. The worst case is somebody
                        coercing a small city major into signing a
                        letter of support – and forcing the applicants
                        for a large city to buy them out. If such
                        applicant is lucky, nobody applied for the large
                        city – and he has a city designated gTLD – and
                        would be allowed to MARKET it as city TLD!
                        GREAT. The citizens of the large city are wholly
                        unprotected from exploitation. If both cities
                        are in ONE country – maybe national law can
                        help. But if they are in different countries?<br>
                        <br>
                        We need to better protect the larger
                        city-populations (people who live in sizable
                        cities). We create all kinds of protections for
                        3-lettercodes or country subdivisions – but we
                        do not protect these very large geo-communities
                        very good. Why? Inconsistent. It is OK that we
                        have the “non-geo use provision in place for
                        small cities”. But SIZEABLE cities need a
                        protection equal to country subdivisions
                        (elimination of non-geo use). Even  if we were
                        to define “sizable” at a real high number.
                        Million people cities mean: at least a million
                        people that identify with the name! At least a
                        million people who are robbed of their
                        possibility to use city-based gTLD domains. A
                        city robbed of their possibility to conduct city
                        destination marketing, eGovernment and similar
                        things under one nice identifier (usually cities
                        reserve strings for official use, such as
                        911.city, townhall.city, visit.city, etc).<br>
                        <br>
                        Question: If a “brand” (whatever the definition
                        is – probably a simple TM registration for US
                        $250 does the trick) claims a string; and is in
                        contention with a sizeable city:<br>
                        If we keep the “non-geo use” loophole alive;
                        what can the citizens of such city do? Does the
                        current AGB provide for a successful path in
                        “objection” (so called “curative rights”)? Or
                        wouldn’t the brand simply declare that they have
                        “TM rights” – thus the objection would be
                        unsubstantiated? Lawyers here: Would a city
                        objection against a brand application have ANY
                        chance of success? Please be honest! I know you
                        are fiercely defending your position – but I
                        also know that you are honest: how would you
                        defend a brand against such objection? Would you
                        simply cave in?<br>
                        <br>
                        We have soon the “consensus call” on city
                        applications – but I don’t see that we have a
                        clear understanding of the implications of
                        contentions. Yes: in the 2012 round there were
                        no problems. But then only a small percentage of
                        brands claimed their strings, and only a few
                        cities (of which many were capitals) did so. The
                        next wave will contain more brands and less
                        capitals but WAY more cities – plus “tricksters”
                        will try to make a buck: We need to pay more
                        attention. </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><br>
                        <br>
                        Thanks,</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Alexander</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                            Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [<a
class="m_-8281451006298984630m_-8285247595732267424moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Arasteh<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 17. August 2018 08:35<br>
                            <b>To:</b> Mike Rodenbaugh <a
class="m_-8281451006298984630m_-8285247595732267424moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                              href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><mike@rodenbaugh.com></a><br>
                            <b>Cc:</b> Edmon <a
class="m_-8281451006298984630m_-8285247595732267424moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
                              href="mailto:edmon@dot.asia"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><edmon@dot.asia></a>;
                            leonard obonyo via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <a
class="m_-8281451006298984630m_-8285247595732267424moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org></a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
                            WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call
                            on Country & Territory Names - Please
                            review before our call.</span></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Dear All</p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Yes they are valuable for
                        those countries too</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">There should be a fair
                        treatment of these TLDs but not over warehousing
                        for merely commercial and brand purposes</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Alexander’s suggestion may be
                        a middle ground solution </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Regards</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss .</p>
                    </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </p>
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                        id="m_-8281451006298984630m_-8285247595732267424AppleMailSignature">
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone</p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                          On 17 Aug 2018, at 03:08, Mike Rodenbaugh <<a
                            href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>
                          wrote:</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">That over 600 very
                              valuable 2- and 3-letter combos that could
                              be TLDs, and yet are reserved for no
                              legitimate reason.  Countries certainly
                              don't own LL codes that don't correspond
                              to current countries.  And they also don't
                              "own" the 3-letter codes that do show up
                              on an ISO list, merely because they are on
                              that list.  </p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">It seems to me that
                                many in this group are reopening the
                                discussion as to all other 'geo' terms,
                                and so these valuable names need to be
                                thrown back into the mix as well.</p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all">
                            </p>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Mike
                                        Rodenbaugh</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RODENBAUGH
                                        LAW</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">tel/fax:
                                         +1.415.738.8087</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
                                          href="http://rodenbaugh.com"
                                          target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">http://rodenbaugh.com</a> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 9, 2018
                                at 8:22 PM, Nick Wenban-Smith <<a
                                  href="mailto:Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk</a>>
                                wrote:</p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">Hi Mike</span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">Just to take the
                                        point here, the LL (all
                                        combinations 26 x 26 = 676 in
                                        total, of which approaching half
                                        are already in use as ccTLDs)
                                        plus the ISO 3166 alpha 3 LLL
                                        combinations which correspond to
                                        existing country and territory
                                        names (less than 300 of the
                                        17,500 odd LLL combinations)
                                        can’t in any reasonable context
                                        be framed as ‘a large subset …
                                        reserved for no reasons
                                        whatsoever’.</span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">Up until now there
                                        seems to be a strong consensus
                                        for the long and short form
                                        country and territory names plus
                                        all the LL combinations and LLL
                                        combinations which correspond to
                                        ISO 3166 to continue to be
                                        excluded from any gTLD processes
                                        – for the reasons expressed on
                                        many threads up to this point
                                        about sovereignty over national
                                        assets and whether these could
                                        fall under domestic internet
                                        community policies
                                        (subsidiarity) or ICANN GNSO
                                        policies. </span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">If we can’t settle
                                        on that as for the 2012 AGB
                                        round then there will be a
                                        substantial opposition to any
                                        new gTLDs whatsoever so let’s
                                        not go there.</span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">I’ve said my piece
                                        on geo names falling below the
                                        hierarchy of capital cities; I
                                        think those are fair game for
                                        legit non geo uses.</span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">Best wishes</span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB">Nick</span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
                                      Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a
                                        href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>
                                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike
                                      Rodenbaugh<br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b> 10 August 2018 03:35<br>
                                      <b>To:</b> Edmon <<a
                                        href="mailto:edmon@dot.asia"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">edmon@dot.asia</a>><br>
                                      <b>Cc:</b> leonard obonyo via
                                      Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a
                                        href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>
                                      <b>Subject:</b> Re:
                                      [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] WT5 Agenda,
                                      Work Plan & Consensus Call on
                                      Country & Territory Names -
                                      Please review before our call.<span
                                        lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          lang="EN-GB">Note the first
                                          sentence in the RFC that
                                          Alexander cites:  "<span
                                            style="color:black">This
                                            memo provides information
                                            for the Internet community.
                                            This memo</span></span></p>
                                      <pre><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">   does not specify an Internet standard of any kind."</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></pre>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-GB">Since this WT5
                                            appears to want to reopen
                                            every "geographic" issue
                                            imaginable, we need to add
                                            2-character LL and
                                            3-character geo TLDs to the
                                            mix.  That is a large subset
                                            of potentially very valuable
                                            and useful names, reserved
                                            for no legitimate reason
                                            whatsoever.<br clear="all">
                                          </span></p>
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                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
                                                    lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Mike
                                                    Rodenbaugh</span><span
                                                    lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">RODENBAUGH
                                                    LAW</span><span
                                                    lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">tel/fax:
                                                     +1.415.738.8087</span><span
                                                    lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"><a
                                                      href="http://rodenbaugh.com"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://rodenbaugh.com</a> </span><span
                                                    lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              lang="EN-GB">On Thu, Aug
                                              9, 2018 at 5:32 PM, Edmon
                                              <<a
                                                href="mailto:edmon@dot.asia"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">edmon@dot.asia</a>>
                                              wrote:</span></p>
                                          <blockquote
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                                lang="EN-GB">IDN
                                                "cc"TLDs already broke
                                                (free from) that also.<br>
                                                Edmon<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
                                                -------- Original
                                                Message --------<br>
                                                From: Mike Rodenbaugh
                                                <<a
                                                  href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><br>
                                                Sent: 10 August 2018
                                                2:43:34 AM GMT+10:00<br>
                                                To: Alexander Schubert
                                                <<a
                                                  href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>><br>
                                                Cc: "<a
                                                  href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>"
                                                <<a
                                                  href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>
                                                Subject: Re:
                                                [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
                                                WT5 Agenda, Work Plan
                                                & Consensus Call on
                                                Country & Territory
                                                Names - Please review
                                                before our call.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                What purpose does that
                                                distinction serve
                                                anyone?  I think it is
                                                meaningless<br>
                                                and entirely
                                                unnecessary, depriving
                                                the world of many very
                                                valuable<br>
                                                two-character TLDs that
                                                have no reason to be
                                                sitting idle.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
                                                RODENBAUGH LAW<br>
                                                tel/fax: 
                                                +1.415.738.8087<br>
                                                <a
                                                  href="http://rodenbaugh.com"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">http://rodenbaugh.com</a><br>
                                                <br>
                                                On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at
                                                2:57 AM, Alexander
                                                Schubert <<br>
                                                <a
                                                  href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>
                                                wrote:<br>
                                                <br>
                                                > Dear Annabeth, dear
                                                Carlos,<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > I agree with
                                                Annabeth. RFC 1591 (who
                                                doesn't know it by
                                                heart: check<br>
                                                > <a
                                                  href="http://ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt</a>)
                                                cemented the one and
                                                only real differentiator<br>
                                                > in the DNS:<br>
                                                > That there are
                                                ccTLDs; operated and
                                                organized by authority 
                                                (which may be<br>
                                                > deligated like in
                                                .tv)  of
                                                countries/nations. And
                                                that these are two<br>
                                                > character strings.
                                                That everything
                                                exceeding two characters
                                                are gTLDs.<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > If we want to keep
                                                this (rather artificial
                                                - but to date well
                                                working)<br>
                                                > BASE order of the
                                                DNS; we should refrain
                                                from assigning two
                                                character<br>
                                                > gTLDs. It's a TINY
                                                amount of potentially
                                                available strings
                                                anyway.<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > The two character
                                                vs more than two
                                                character distinction
                                                needs to be<br>
                                                > uphold; BOTH WAYS
                                                (no three letter
                                                ccTLDs).<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Thanks,<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Alexander<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Sent from my
                                                Samsung device<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > -------- Original
                                                message --------<br>
                                                > From: Annebeth
                                                Lange <<a
                                                  href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">annebeth.lange@norid.no</a>><br>
                                                > Date: 8/8/18 23:48
                                                (GMT+02:00)<br>
                                                > To: Carlos Raul
                                                Gutierrez <<a
                                                  href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a>><br>
                                                > Cc: <a
                                                  href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
                                                > Subject: Re:
                                                [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
                                                WT5 Agenda, Work Plan
                                                & Consensus Call<br>
                                                > on Country &
                                                Territory Names - Please
                                                review before our call.<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Hi Carlos<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Could I ask you for
                                                one clarification? If we
                                                open up for some<br>
                                                > 2-letter/letter
                                                combinations in the GNSO
                                                process, they will
                                                automatically<br>
                                                > be gTLDs. You don’t
                                                think that will disturb
                                                the distinction we have
                                                had<br>
                                                > from the beginning
                                                that 2-characters are
                                                ccTLDs and 3 or more
                                                gTLDs?<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Kind regards,<br>
                                                > Annebeth<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Annebeth B Lange<br>
                                                > Special Adviser
                                                International Policy<br>
                                                > UNINETT Norid AS<br>
                                                > Phone: +47 959 11
                                                559<br>
                                                > Mail: <a
                                                  href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">annebeth.lange@norid.no</a><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > 8. aug. 2018 kl.
                                                22:43 skrev Carlos Raul
                                                Gutierrez <<br>
                                                > <a
                                                  href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a>>:<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > My comments to
                                                today's call:<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > 1. “The ICANN
                                                Community may want to
                                                consider whether a
                                                future process<br>
                                                > should be
                                                established or determine
                                                if, when, and how
                                                specific interested<br>
                                                > parties, such as
                                                relevant government
                                                authorities, may apply
                                                for country and<br>
                                                > territory names”
                                                This paragraph is the
                                                only sensible part of a<br>
                                                > forward-looking
                                                recommendation and
                                                should/could be
                                                redrafted. I wonder if<br>
                                                > it could be
                                                enhanced, or if the only
                                                way to go is deletion as
                                                CW<br>
                                                > suggested.   A
                                                shorter more concise
                                                version? A more
                                                “liberal” version? How<br>
                                                > about: “ICANN may
                                                consider applications by
                                                specific interested
                                                parties,<br>
                                                > such as relevant
                                                authorities, of strings
                                                that are not current or
                                                future<br>
                                                > countries or
                                                territories.”  Ps: The
                                                text in Recommendation 1
                                                “reserving ALL<br>
                                                > two character
                                                letter letter”
                                                combinations-  can be
                                                enhanced.  I wonder if<br>
                                                > it’s truly ALL, or
                                                if the potential for
                                                future countries and
                                                potential<br>
                                                > combinations is
                                                really much less broad?
                                                Could that be qualified
                                                somehow? I<br>
                                                > can’t think of a
                                                future .xx or .ññ
                                                country or territory and
                                                maybe we could<br>
                                                > tweak the language
                                                to open this a bit and
                                                garner broad community
                                                support to<br>
                                                > move forward.<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > 2. Other than
                                                recommendation #1, I
                                                object strongly the text
                                                to "keep geo<br>
                                                > names from the
                                                delegation" in any other
                                                recommedation, unless a
                                                clear<br>
                                                > rationale is added
                                                to the recommendation<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > 3. I hope no draft
                                                goes out before a
                                                substantial non-AGB
                                                names discussion<br>
                                                > has taken place,
                                                including to geographic
                                                related, cultural,
                                                linguistic and<br>
                                                > other social 
                                                elements, ,like Apache
                                                Nation<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Best regards<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > ---<br>
                                                > Carlos Raúl
                                                Gutiérrez<br>
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                                                > +506 8837 7176<br>
                                                > Aparatado 1571-1000<br>
                                                > COSTA RICA<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > El 2018-08-08
                                                05:09, Emily Barabas
                                                escribió:<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Dear Work Track
                                                members,<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Please find
                                                attached suggested
                                                revisions to the draft
                                                recommendations<br>
                                                > shared yesterday.
                                                Please note that this
                                                revised text includes<br>
                                                > clarifications and
                                                typo corrections only.
                                                Feedback on some of the
                                                more<br>
                                                > substantive issues
                                                will be discussed
                                                further on today's call.<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Kind regards,<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Emily<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > *From:
                                                *Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
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                                                on<br>
                                                > behalf of Martin
                                                Sutton <<a
                                                  href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>><br>
                                                > *Date: *Monday, 6
                                                August 2018 at 14:45<br>
                                                > *To: *"<a
                                                  href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"
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                                                > *Subject:
                                                *[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
                                                WT5 Agenda, Work Plan
                                                & Consensus Call<br>
                                                > on Country &
                                                Territory Names - Please
                                                review before our call.<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Dear Work Track
                                                members,<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Please find below
                                                the proposed agenda for
                                                the WT5 call on
                                                Wednesday 8<br>
                                                > August at 13:00
                                                UTC:<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > 1. Welcome/Agenda
                                                Review/SOI Updates<br>
                                                > 2. Review of
                                                Consensus Call Process
                                                and Work Plan<br>
                                                > 3. Consensus Call
                                                on Country and Territory
                                                Names<br>
                                                > 4. Wrap Up -
                                                Non-AGB Terms<br>
                                                > 5. AOB<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > On our upcoming
                                                call, the leadership
                                                team will introduce a
                                                work plan aimed<br>
                                                > at wrapping up
                                                WT5's work and
                                                delivering an Initial
                                                Report by the end of<br>
                                                > September. In
                                                maintaining this
                                                timeline, the leadership
                                                is seeking to<br>
                                                > ensure that Work
                                                Track 5 inputs can be
                                                effectively integrated
                                                into the work<br>
                                                > of the broader New
                                                gTLD Subsequent
                                                Procedures PDP Working
                                                Group in time for<br>
                                                > delivery of the
                                                PDP's Final Report. A
                                                copy of the work plan is
                                                attached.<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > As outlined in the
                                                work plan, the
                                                leadership team will be
                                                holding a series<br>
                                                > of consensus calls
                                                on potential
                                                recommendations to
                                                include in WT5's Initial<br>
                                                > Report. These will
                                                be introduced in
                                                clusters, with the first
                                                set of<br>
                                                > recommendations
                                                focusing on country and
                                                territory names. The
                                                draft<br>
                                                > recommendations,
                                                which will be discussed
                                                on Wednesday, are
                                                attached. *Work<br>
                                                > Track members are
                                                encouraged to review and
                                                provide feedback on
                                                these draft<br>
                                                > recommendations
                                                prior to the call on
                                                Wednesday*. The
                                                leadership team will<br>
                                                > officially open the
                                                consensus call on this
                                                topic following
                                                Wednesday's<br>
                                                > call. For more
                                                information on the
                                                consensus call process
                                                that will be<br>
                                                > followed, please
                                                see the GNSO Working
                                                Group Guidelines,
                                                Section 3.6:<br>
                                                > <a
href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/annex-1-"
                                                  target="_blank"
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                                                >
                                                gnso-wg-guidelines-18jun18-en.pdf
                                                [<a
                                                  href="http://gnso.icann.org"
                                                  target="_blank"
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                                                > .<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > If you need a dial
                                                out for the upcoming
                                                call or would like to
                                                send an<br>
                                                > apology, please
                                                email <a
                                                  href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>.<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Kind regards,<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > WT5 Co-Leads<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Annebeth Lange<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Javier Rua<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Olga Cavalli<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                > Martin Sutton<br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
                                                ><br>
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                                                Recommendations -
                                                country and territory
                                                names - v4.pdf><br>
                                                ><br>
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                                                Recommendations -
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                                                names - v4.docx><br>
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