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<p>Dear Greg,</p>
<p>I pretty much agree with your straw poll and look forward to the official tally.</p>
<p>What I still miss is if we are within the strict limits of the SubPro PDP, in terms of revising the 2012 AGB only, based on the spirit of promoting competition, consumer choice and consumer trust (the basis for the expansion as per 2009 AOB) or if we have gone far beyond the GNSO picket fence. But I guess it will be up to the council to evaluate that issue later. With that, I mean the non-AGB use of GeoNames. it would be a pity if we don't make any progress there.</p>
<p>let's wait and see...</p>
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<p>El 2018-08-21 22:38, Greg Shatan escribió:</p>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif;">While I hate the game of participants identifying areas of agreement (rather than the co-chairs doing it), I'll play anyway. We probably have some level of rough consensus on continuing the current treatment of (long and short-form) country names, 2-letter codes and two character letter-letter strings, and continuing to allow three-letter TLDs. I don't see consensus beyond that. Not on the treatment of ISO 3166-1 3 letter codes (reserved indefinitely? available? if so, to whom? Govs only? Anyone with gov support? What about non-geo uses, like .QAT?) (I hope this WT does not drive me to chewing qat....). As Alexander notes, we don't have it on non-capital cities. And we glossed over capital cities, so I'm not sure we can even say we have considered consensus on that point.</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">I look forward to our Co-Chairs' evaluation of levels of agreement in the group.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM Alexander Schubert <alexander@schubert.berlin> wrote:</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_8196223223695919591_m_-8852926459535668656__MailEndCompose"></a><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Jorge,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">I think that both cities and non-AGB strings are the top issues at hand. Seemingly the Alpha-3 codes and country names are being banned already – that would have been the 3<sup>rd</sup> silo. Everything else seems to be quite self-evident and agreed on.<br /><br />This probably means that non-AGB terms and city-names are the last two big silos we need to find agreement on. And I forecast that the vast majority of geo-applications will target CITIES. But nonetheless: non-AGB strings are in dire need to be discussed!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">In the past seemingly the discussion on different silos overlapped – and merged. So we should make sure to keep non-AGB string issues (and its discussion) separated from the city-name string discussion. That's why we have silos in the first place.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Alexander<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a><br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Dienstag, 21. August 2018 15:48<br /><strong>To:</strong> <a href="mailto:annebeth.lange@norid.no">annebeth.lange@norid.no</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br /><strong>Cc:</strong> <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed Agenda - Work Track 5 - 22 August 2018 at 20.00 UTC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Dear Annebeth and all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">I wonder how the co-leads intend to structure the discussion around "non-AGB terms".<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">If I may, I would suggest that we approach the issue step-by-step:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"><span>1.<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Consider if data from the 2012 AGB round indicates whether there were issues with strings with geographic significance<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"><span>2.<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Consider what kind of issues were identified, eg lack of awareness, lack of communication, lack of understanding, competing interests...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"><span>3.<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Consider whether those issues merit being addressed<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"><span>4.<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">consider what means are at our disposal in the policy tool-box to address such issues<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"><span>5.<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">discuss on which policy tools may have enough traction<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">I feel that I have already made my substantial points clear, but here they go again in a summarized fashion (following the sequence summarized above):<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"><span>1.<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Yes, I feel there were important issues with non-AGB terms, which have resulted in conflicts between applicants and authorities;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"><span>2.<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Probably there was a bit of all kind of issues in differing degrees in the various cases we have heard of;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"><span>3.<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Yes, as the process and also the legitimacy of the TLD expansion would benefit from an agreed approach that takes all legitimate interests on board;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;"><span>4.<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">I have mentioned a few, but here they go again:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36.0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">- We need a framework governing terms not fitting in any new specific category but still having such a "geographic significance". <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 70.5pt;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">- Both applicants and interested parties with claims to such geographic significance terms would benefit from a more predictable framework of rules, and, therefore, the need for last-minute interventions would be minimized.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36.0pt;"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">- Elements of such a framework could be:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 123.6pt;"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: Symbol; color: #1f497d;"><span>·<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">a diligent search requirement for applicants – which could be linked to a "Geonames Advisory Panel" and/or internationally available lists of geographic terms and/or a voluntary repository/database of such terms; <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 123.6pt;"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: Symbol; color: #1f497d;"><span>·<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">a contact obligation for applicants; <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 123.6pt;"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: Symbol; color: #1f497d;"><span>·<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">incentives to reach an amicable solution, such as a prima facie non-objection requirement. The non-objection letter could be subject to deadlines, and to an implied non-objection if the corresponding authority does not respond within the deadline; <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_8196223223695919591m_-8852926459535668656MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 123.6pt;"><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: Symbol; color: #1f497d;"><span>·<span style="font: 7.0pt 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">a fair, quick, cheap and independent mediation and/or dispute resolution mechanism in case there are disagreements between applicant and relevant authority.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">I hope this may be helpful...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Best regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; color: #1f497d;">Jorge <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;">Von:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>> <strong>Im Auftrag von </strong>Annebeth Lange<br /><strong>Gesendet:</strong> Dienstag, 21. August 2018 08:40<br /><strong>An:</strong> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br /><strong>Cc:</strong> <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br /><strong>Betreff:</strong> [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed Agenda - Work Track 5 - 22 August 2018 at 20.00 UTC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">Please find below the proposed agenda for the upcoming Work Track 5 call on Wednesday 22nd August 2018 at 20.00 UTC:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">1. Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI Updates<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">2. Status of Draft Recommendations on 2-Letter ASCII Strings and Country and Territory Names<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">3. Non-AGB Terms<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">4. AOB<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">We refer to the email sent out by Emily yesterday, Monday 20<sup>th</sup> August, with Draft Recommendations.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">If you need a dial out or would like to submit an apology for this call, please email <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a> as far in advance as possible.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">Kind regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">Javier Rua<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">Olga Cavalli<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">Martin Sutton<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS',sans-serif;">Annebeth Lange<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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