<div dir="ltr">Rosalia ,jorge ,christopher and Alexander +1<div>Kavouss </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:41 PM Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Dear All <div>I do not support Greg</div><div>Kavouss<br><br><div id="m_4611767646660345396AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 7 Sep 2018, at 22:40, Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I also support Alexander<div>Kavouss <br><br><div id="m_4611767646660345396AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 5 Sep 2018, at 14:47, Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
    
  
  
    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Sorry I had to miss
        the call. I do want to add my support to Alexander's suggestion
        on establishing a category for cities of  (x) size <br>
      </font></p>
    <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Anybody
      willing to support my suggestion:</span>
    <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Have
        cities with populations over X being treated like capital
        cities. (Elimination of the “non-geo” use provision)</span></p>
    <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">X
        to be debated by either us in WT5 or the ICANN community – or
        both.</span></p>
    <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This
        provision could be included in the “non-capital cities” silo. <br>
      </span></p>
    <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span>
    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita<br>
      </font></p>
    <br>
    <div class="m_4611767646660345396moz-cite-prefix">On 9/5/2018 4:00 AM, Alexander Schubert
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      
      
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As
            we both are quite vocal on this topic I try to be short:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">First
            Come First Serve is the declared goal. Some want it already
            smack after the next round. Once that happens: there won’t
            be contention resolve mechanisms anymore – by definition!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
            requirement to authenticate registrants: Yes! I agree with
            you – it’s a good thing! But in the realm of community
            priority applications you are forced to define the community
            very narrow – and then ONLY that narrowly defined group of
            entities  is eligible to  register domains! Imagine a brand
            selling stuff in the city – but has no presence there! They
            would not be eligible to register their brand.city domain.
            Unless you define the community quite broad – and my
            personal experience teaches me: DON’T!  It might cost you
            your CPE. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
            bad actor: They might not even see themselves as such. In
            the 2012 round ALL the generic namespace was up for grabs,
            PLUS: most players did not believe that city gTLDs would be
            profitable. This has changed: The best generic terms are now
            taken. Citiy gTLDs have proved to be profitable. Here the
            mechanics: VC money will be raised; and once cash is raised
            - strings will be chosen. Generic keywords are pretty much
            exhausted. City names make economic sense on several levels.
            If your operation model would be identical to that of
            “Donuts”: you won’t actively “market” your strings to
            anybody. You just push them out into the registrar channel.
            Why on earth would you care for “geo-use”? You do not! You
            just apply for the string, with NO INTENT AT ALL. This saves
            you the acquisition of the support letter – hence my
            formulation: “Non-geo use loophole”. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Moving
            on ……<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Anybody
            willing to support my suggestion:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Have
            cities with populations over X being treated like capital
            cities. (Elimination of the “non-geo” use provision)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">X to
            be debated by either us in WT5 or the ICANN community – or
            both.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This
            provision could be included in the “non-capital cities”
            silo. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
            current language in the 2012 AGB reads:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2e75b6">An
                application for a city name will be subject to the<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2e75b6">geographic
                names requirements (i.e., will require<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2e75b6">documentation
                of support or non-objection from<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2e75b6">the
                relevant governments or public authorities) if:<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2e75b6"><u></u> <u></u></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2e75b6">(a)
                It is clear from applicant statements within the<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2e75b6">application
                that the <u>applicant will use the TLD<u></u><u></u></u></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2e75b6">primarily
                  for purposes</span></u></i></b><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2e75b6">
                associated with the city<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2e75b6">name<u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span><span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">  </span></span></span></i><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Only the next (or maximum next
              two) application phases will be “rounds”. In absence of
              “rounds” there won’t be contention – and no community
              priority mechanism anymore! .......... </span></i></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">       </span><i>.........</i><i><span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">  </span></i></span></span><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In the past 6 years I learned
              literally EVERYTHING about “how to shoot down a community
              applicant” – and you just won’t believe to what ends
              people go to do it (I know, I was at the receiving end)!
              “.osaka” was LUCKY – if they had a “real” contender (a
              straight shooter) they would have NEVER EVER gotten 15
              points (and frankly I ask myself how that was even
              possible). CPE is a cruel thing ...............</span></i></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><br>
          <i><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
            </span></i></p>
        <b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#c00000"><u></u><u></u></span></i></b>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“X”
            needs obviously to be defined. Some would like to see it at
            50k people – others at over a Million. The lower the number
            – the less likely we find consensus. But the definition of
            the threshold is independent of the measure in itself. Let’s
            not get hung up on the exact number – let’s see whether the
            general CONCEPT finds agreement: that a sizeable city should
            be as well protected as a national subdivision or capital
            city! Setting “X” to 1 Million would be a balanced approach
            to at least protect those city communities that are likely
            to potentially fall victim to applicants that simply have no
            “intents” – and therefore don’t voice such intent in their
            application – hence avoid the looping-in of the city
            Government! <br>
            The formulation “clear from applicant statements within the
            application that the applicant will use the TLD primarily
            for purposes associated with the city name….” really is very
            weak and simply INVITES to NOT have such “statements” in the
            application! <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thoughts?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="m_4611767646660345396MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alexander<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
            Greg Shatan [<a class="m_4611767646660345396moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>] <br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 05, 2018 5:43 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> <a class="m_4611767646660345396moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5
            <a class="m_4611767646660345396moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank"><gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org></a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Motion to include
            a notion of “Elimination of the 'non-geo use provision' for
            sizeable cities” in the report<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
                think the Community Priority Evaluation survived the
                attempt at "hole poking" pretty much unscathed:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <ul type="disc">
              <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Unless
                  you've been to the future, nobody has any idea if or
                  when the gTLD application process will move away from
                  rounds.  If it does, batching or some other process
                  could still create contention sets.  "First come,
                  first served" may never come.</span><u></u><u></u></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It
                  seems entirely appropriate for city-based gTLDs to
                  authenticate registrants, whether or not they are
                  community-based applications.  "Open season" on
                  registrations blows a hole in the concept of
                  city-based gTLDs -- unless the only idea is to deliver
                  Internet real estate to one preferred applicant, who
                  can then exploit the gTLD however they please.</span><u></u><u></u></li>
              <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If
                  there are problems with the way Community Priority
                  processes worked, it's our job to fix them -- for
                  geo's and (elsewhere in the WG) non-geo's as well. I
                  understand that avoiding it would be preferable to
                  some, and that it's easier to avoid if its warts are
                  left on, but I can't believe any disinterested
                  participant would support that approach.</span><u></u><u></u></li>
            </ul>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Finally,
                  the mythical "bad actor" that is the impetus for this
                  suggestion seems to have no basis in reality.  Are
                  there any examples of this occurring in the prior
                  round?  Of course, just about every type of "bad
                  actor" is remotely possible, but how likely is it?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Moving
                  on...</span><u></u><u></u></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">While
                  we don't really work by "motions," since we seem to be
                  looking for "notions" to include in the report, here
                  are some that are at least as viable as the one
                  suggested by Alexander:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <ul type="disc">
                <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">extending
                    the "non-geo use" provision to other existing geo
                    categories</span><u></u><u></u></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">replacing
                    the "letter of consent/non-objection" with a "notice
                    and opportunity to object" in some or all cases. 
                    While this concept needs further development, that
                    is just more reason to put it in the report (and to
                    develop it further in the meantime).</span><u></u><u></u></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Eliminating
                    the sub-national category (since it is full of
                    obscurities), or subjecting it to the "non-geo use"
                    provision.</span><u></u><u></u></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Once
                    a geo-use gTLD is registered, all other variations
                    and translations are unconditionally available for
                    registration</span><u></u><u></u></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">A
                    "bright-line" rule that any geographic term that is
                    not explicitly and expressly protected is
                    unprotected (i.e., no objection or non-consent can
                    be used to stop its registration).  Arguably, this
                    rule was in place in the prior round, but it didn't
                    seem to work out that way.  Hence, the need for a
                    bright-line rule.</span><u></u><u></u></li>
                <li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">A
                    heightened awareness program for governments and
                    others regarding the gTLD program so that they will
                    be more likely to seek (or to back) a registration
                    for the relevant geo-name.  This could be
                    accompanied by structured supports and advice to
                    maximize the opportunities for future
                    geo-applicants.  (To be clear, I am all in favor of
                    geo-use applications, and we should be spending more
                    time facilitating them, and less time creating veto
                    rights.  More doors, and less walls!)</span><u></u><u></u></li>
              </ul>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There
                  may be others, but that's a start.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best
                  regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 6:23 PM
              Alexander Schubert <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>
              wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Emily,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">TNX. Just: we still haven’t
                    solved the “vulnerable, sizeable city” problem. I am
                    not much scared about brands – more about bad actors
                    “abusing” the “non-geo use” provision.  If I look at
                    how we protect country names, ISO 3166 3-letter
                    codes, country subdivisions (3166 Alpha-2) and
                    capital cities: I think sizeable cities (e.g.
                    Shanghai – 24 million people, larger than 75% of all
                    countries in the world) deserve similar protections.
                    It’s a few hundred strings, none of them generic,
                    and if maybe someone could run the cities with more
                    than 1 Million inhabitants against a few important
                    TM databases: I don’t think brands are really much
                    impacted either. Geo-name based gTLD warehousers
                    will only go for BIG cities. If we require these bad
                    actors to loop in the city government – they will
                    walk away. I think we owe it to these city
                    communities to make sure they get to be able to use
                    “their names” in a way that they exercise some
                    control over it – and not falling victim to VC-money
                    driven exploitation in a “wild west” land grab style
                    (and potential “G7-lead” global cyber colonialism).
                     </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
                    Btw: Paul recently offered as “solution” to apply as
                    “community priority application” – so city
                    applicants would win “automatically”. Brilliant
                    idea! I happen to have (co-)founded both: a city and
                    a community priority applicant. Even the city
                    applicant was already in 2005 planned (and set up –
                    including the support acquisition, etc) to be like
                    what later would be called “community applicant”.
                    Let me poke a few holes in that otherwise brilliant
                    idea:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="m_4611767646660345396m-2906189528103137873msolistparagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">         </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Only the next (or maximum
                    next two) application phases will be “rounds”. In
                    absence of “rounds” there won’t be contention – and
                    no community priority mechanism anymore! So the
                    “solution” is short-lived! </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="m_4611767646660345396m-2906189528103137873msolistparagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">         </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It would force the
                    applicant to commit (even if it later turns out they
                    were the ONLY applicant) to engage in registrant
                    authentication: a requirement for community priority
                    applicants that can’t be reversed later</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="m_4611767646660345396m-2906189528103137873msolistparagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">         </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In the past 6 years I
                    learned literally EVERYTHING about “how to shoot
                    down a community applicant” – and you just won’t
                    believe to what ends people go to do it (I know, I
                    was at the receiving end)! “.osaka” was LUCKY – if
                    they had a “real” contender (a straight shooter)
                    they would have NEVER EVER gotten 15 points (and
                    frankly I ask myself how that was even possible).
                    CPE is a cruel thing – prevailing with a
                    “city-based” community would be sheer luck. And once
                    your city name is not unique: just forget it.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Long story short: Nope,
                    “community priority application” is NOT the answer
                    to the problem. In my mind.<br>
                    <br>
                    <b>So my suggestion (yes, again!):</b></span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="m_4611767646660345396m-2906189528103137873msolistparagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">         </span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Have cities with
                      populations over X being treated like capital
                      cities. (Elimination of the “non-geo” use
                      provision)</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="m_4611767646660345396m-2906189528103137873msolistparagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">         </span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">X to be debated by either
                      us in WT5 or the ICANN community – or both.</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I say at minimum a Million
                    inhabitants in the Metro Area. Would be nice if we
                    could have this proposed solution in the report – so
                    we could see how people react. Would obviously
                    require to explain the underlying problem: the
                    potential “abuse” of the “non-geo use” provision
                    (not by brands, but by evil-doers). Anybody here who
                    would like to second my motion to have this solution
                    (“elimination of the non-geo use provision for
                    sizeable cities”) in the report? How to do that?
                    Create another silo right behind the “capital city”
                    silo? Or include it in the “non-capital city” silo;
                    and just say that the “non-geo use provision” is
                    only available for cities smaller “X”?<br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks for hearing my out,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Alexander.berlin<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                  </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Emily Barabas [mailto:<a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>]
                        <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 04, 2018 11:07
                        PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>;
                        <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
                        Proposed Agenda: Work Track 5 meeting -
                        Wednesday 5 September at 5:00 UTC</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  </div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Alexander, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks for your question.
                    As discussed on the last call, based on feedback
                    from the WT, the leadership team has decided not to
                    conduct consensus calls prior to publishing the
                    Initial Report. This provides the group more time
                    for discussion and does not require the WT to feel
                    “locked into” a position prior to public comment.
                    For more information on the details, you can review
                    the call recording <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/2018-08-22+New+gTLD+Subsequent+Procedures+PDP+Work+Track+5" target="_blank">here</a>
                    and transcript <a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/transcript-rpm-review-22aug18-en.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">An updated work plan taking
                    into account this change will be discussed tomorrow
                    under agenda item 3.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Kind regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Emily</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>
                      on behalf of Alexander Schubert <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>><br>
                      <b>Reply-To: </b>"<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>"
                      <<a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin" target="_blank">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>><br>
                      <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 4 September 2018 at 15:50<br>
                      <b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>"
                      <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>
                      <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5]
                      Proposed Agenda: Work Track 5 meeting - Wednesday
                      5 September at 5:00 UTC</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Question: The initially
                    planned “consensus call” on non-capital cities will
                    be subject to the next call then? I am asking as it
                    was originally planned for Sep 5<sup>th</sup> – but
                    obviously no “consensus” has been reached (not even
                    close).<br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Alexander</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
                        [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Emily Barabas<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 03, 2018 10:20 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed
                        Agenda: Work Track 5 meeting - Wednesday 5
                        September at 5:00 UTC</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear Work Track 5 members,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please find below the
                    proposed agenda for the Work Track 5 call scheduled
                    for Wednesday 5 September at 5:00 UTC for 90
                    minutes. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="m_4611767646660345396m-2906189528103137873p1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">1.
                    Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI updates (5 mins)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="m_4611767646660345396m-2906189528103137873p1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">2.
                    Non-AGB Terms (65 mins)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="m_4611767646660345396m-2906189528103137873p1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">3.
                    Work Plan and Initial Report (15 mins)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="m_4611767646660345396m-2906189528103137873p1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">4.
                    AOB (5 mins)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If you need a dial out or
                    would like an apology to be noted for this call,
                    please send an email as far in advance as possible
                    to <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>.
                  </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Kind regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Emily</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Emily Barabas </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">| Policy Manager</span><u></u><u></u></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ICANN</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> | Internet Corporation for
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