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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Dear Work Track 5 members,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Please see below the action items and notes from the meeting today (19 September). <i>These high-level notes are designed to help WG members navigate through the content of the call and are not a substitute for the recording, transcript, or the chat, which will be posted on the wiki.</i> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Please also find attached the </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>referenced slides.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Julie</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Julie Hedlund, Policy Director</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Notes/Action Items:</span></b><b><o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>1. Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI Updates:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- Javier Rua -- New client that will be employer in the next 6 months. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>2. Terms Requiring Letter of Support/Non-Objection in the 2012 AGB:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Slide 5: AGB Section 2.2.1.4.2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Slide 6: Finding Areas of Agreement for the Initial Report (1/2)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- Where you see the term "status quo" that should not be looked upon as a lack of achievement by the WT.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- Trying to sift through all of the conversations and work out where we might have agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- See Slide 5: AGB Section 2.2.1.4.2.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- We can pose questions if we don't have preliminary recommendations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- Re: Status Quo in current AGB -- does this means a written (the text) not the history after the fact? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- We are mixing categories -- if we try to take one category at the time: start with capital city names, then on to the city names. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- Looking at whether we need support or non-objection. We will ask about languages in a question. (Leave out "in any language" for now).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- A compromise (see the chat): not allowing city names or sub-national places when the intended use would misrepresent its authority over or connection to that places. Recommending we narrow to words other than capital names. Look at the intended use.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Annebeth Lange, co-lead ccNSO: We should not forget that 2012 AGB was the result of many years of discussions from 2007 to 2012.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO PDP Co Chair): Well said Martin and Yes indeed Annebeth!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Javier Rua-Jovet: Thats right @Martin: Status quo might be a type o f evidence that past consensus and past hard fought agreements werent that bad at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Paul McGrady 2: Can we have the specific language from the AGB RE: city names used as city names?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Paul McGrady 2: Also, is the question the AGB as written or the AGB as misapplied?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Paul McGrady 2: That is capital city names, but what is the language for the second bullet point?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>David McAuley: process question, must we have 'prelim recommendations' for IR or can we simply pose questions that are supported by us to be posed for public comment?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Paul McGrady 2: What supports the second bullet point> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Emily Barabas: An application for a city name, where the applicant declares that it intends to use the gTLD for purposes associated with the city name.City names present challenges because city names may also be generic terms or brand names, and in many cases city names are not unique. Unlike other types of geographic names, there are no established lists that can be used as objective references in the evaluation process. Thus, city names are not universally protected. However, the process does provide a means for cities and applicants to work together where desired.An application for a city name will be subject to the geographic names requirements (i.e., will require documentation of support or non-objection from the relevant governments or public authorities) if:(a) It is clear from applicant statements within the application that the applicant will use the TLD primarily for purposes associated with the city name; and(b) The applied-for string i<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Emily Barabas: (b) The applied-for string is a city name as listed on official city documents.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Robin Gross: I could agree to not allowing city names or sub-national places when the intended use would misrepresent its authority over or connection to that place. That seems like a reasonable compromise that recognizes there are multiple legitimate uses of a word.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Emily Barabas: The following types of applied-for strings are considered geographic names and must be accompanied by documentation of support or non-objection from the relevant governments or public authorities:1. An application for any string that is a representation, in any language, of the capital city name of any country or territory listed in the ISO 3166-1 standard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Christopher Wilkinson: I have in the past supported official national languages + the UN languages + PT, but today I feel a consensus for 'in any language' then I withdraw. CW<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Marita Moll: I might be okay with Robin's concept except there is still an idea of treating very large cities differently -- names of cities 1M+<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Christopher Wilkinson: 'misrepresent' is subject to a range of interpretations. For now, Robin is making an effort which we should welcome. CW<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Annebeth Lange, co-lead ccNSO: @Robin, which categories did you mean to extend?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Robin Gross: I was recommending we narrow to words other than capital names.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- Alberto Soto: I think, the greater or lesser number of citizens of a place, should not give greater or lesser rights...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Paul McGrady 2: I think we should explore it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Paul McGrady 2: Can staff try to incorporate some language that can be put to the list?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Slide 7: Finding Areas of Agreement for the Initial Report (2/2) -- non-capital city names<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- Debated greatly. Trying to move the needle either way is difficult when you consider all of the comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- Preliminary recommendations: status quo for this category?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- See: Working Document page 34 -- proposals with respect to non-capital city names. Could put into the Initial Report for feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>-- Proposal (Robin Gross): unless there was misrepresentation the domain would be allowed to go forward without the need for a support or non-objection letter.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Robin Gross: With respect to these non-capital city names, I would again accept the status quo with this tweek to use a misrepresentation standard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Annebeth Lange, co-lead ccNSO: Thanks, Robin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Robin Gross: Olga, to prohibit uses that are misrepresentations of authority over or connection to a place.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Annebeth Lange, co-lead ccNSO: @Robin, could you send an explanation of what you mean on the mailing list? I think non-English speakers have a little problem by understanding this<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Paul McGrady 2: "connection to a place" can be very broad. For example, .Chicago used to promote the musical certainly has a connection to the place but is not a misrepresentation that the registry is the city of Chicago or its police department, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Annebeth Lange, co-lead ccNSO: I don´t really understand the misrepresentation issue in this connection. If you intend to represent a city, you need support/non-objection. If not, you don´'t need it. So where comes misrepresentation come in? I understand Robin the way that she wants to reduce the need for support/non-objection. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Robin Gross: To clarify, a letter would only be needed if a applicant is trying to represent themselves as having authority over the place name. If it turns out later they misrepresented, there would be post-penatlies, loss of tld, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>3. Next Steps and Revised Work Plan:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Slide 9: Initial Report -- Next Steps<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Slide 10: Timeline<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Emily Barabas: As a reminder, the Subsequent Procedures charter states "The New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group (WG) is tasked with calling upon the 1http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/new-gtlds/pdp-dec05-fr-parta-08aug07.htmcommunity’s collective experiences from the 2012 New gTLD Program round to determine what, if any changes may need to be made to the existing Introduction of New Generic Top -Level Domains policy recommendations from 8 August 2007.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>4. AOB</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>: None.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>