<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">With regard to the objection to my comments (numbered as 69 and 70), the reasons for these were explained in detail in my submission. Unfortunately, those were left out of the document circulated by staff. It is really incorrect and unfortunate to characterize these changes as ones intended to delete anyone's point of view.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">These comments were on the following text, and suggested that the first text highlighted below should be deleted and the second be added:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default">TLDs are a unique resource. Some Work Track members have contrasted this</div><div class="gmail_default">33 unique quality of TLDs with the use of names under trademark law. From this</div><div class="gmail_default">34 perspective, under trademark law, <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">the principles of specialty and of trademark</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">35 "fair use" apply, according to which</span> it is possible for two brands to register</div><div class="gmail_default">36 trademarks for the same term in the same jurisdiction [<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0)">for unrelated goods and services</span>], as long as no confusion or</div><div class="gmail_default">37 infringement pursuant to the law arises.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">I'll explain again and hopefully more clearly. First the term "principle of specialty" is not one generally used in discussing US trademark law (perhaps like "bright line rule" it is a term that does not travel well). I had to look it up to see what it meant. We need to use terms that will be commonly understood, at least by those with some knowledge of the subject matter. The added language "for unrelated goods and services" really covers the same concept. Furthermore the added language corrects what is otherwise an ambiguous (and arguably, misleading) description of basic trademark laws (i.e., without that language, it leaves the impression that the same mark can be registered and used for related goods and services in the same country). In other words, this was merely a clarifying change.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">The second change (deleting the reference to "trademark 'fair use'") was also intended to be corrective, not to remove anyone's opinion. That is because this is an incorrect use of the term "trademark fair use." Trademark fair use is not in any way related to the right to use a trademark for different goods and services than an existing trademark. Trademark fair use refers to either "descriptive" fair use -- the right to call an apple an apple, regardless of Apple's trademark rights -- or to "nominative" fair use -- the right to call the Spice Girls the Spice Girls (e.g., in a ticket giveaway), even though Spice Girls is a trademark.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">If these changes (or any others I suggested) are objectionable, they should be responded to in substance, rather than by broad (mis)characterization and/or by introducing ex post facto rules about what changes can be made when, and which seem intended to dismiss changes without reaching their merits.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">I'm as interested in closure as anyone, but sending out a report with incorrect assertions will delay closure in the long run.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Best regards,</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">Greg</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:03 AM Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Yes, I think this is a
valid comment. We could find ourselves right back at the
beginning.</font></p>
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<div class="m_-8685412295143059533moz-cite-prefix">On 11/14/2018 8:48 AM,
<a class="m_-8685412295143059533moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Dear Emily and all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Thanks very much for the new text. I will not
be able to make the call (am in Paris at the IGF), but let
me share the general observation that there
<b>should not be changes in the last minute</b> which try to
change the balance of the text as had been prepared by
staff, especially changes which try to convey a different
reflection of the discussions already had in the work track.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">I also would like to urge that we avoid last
minute changes intended to change the description of what
was said or argued by “some”. Deleting or rephrasing of
others’ opinions by others with a different opinion should
be refrained from. For instance, I feel that the comments 69
and 70 from Greg go in that direction – I would urge not to
do that – otherwise others may feel the need to edit the
opinions expressed by others, which at this stage is really
meaningless.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Kindly<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Jorge
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="DE"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
<a class="m_-8685412295143059533moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org></a>
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Emily Barabas<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 14. November 2018 14:26<br>
<b>An:</b> <a class="m_-8685412295143059533moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed
Agenda and Reminder to Submit Input on Initial Report -
Work Track 5 meeting - 14 November 2018<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Dear
all, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Thanks
to those who shared additional comments and suggestions on
the list. Please see the attached updated version of the
document which we will use on the call shortly. Comments
highlighted in purple are those added since last week’s
call. Those in yellow require further discussion and will be
the focus of the call today.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Kind
regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Emily<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">From:
</span></b><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Emily
Barabas <<a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 13 November 2018 at 12:54<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Proposed Agenda and Reminder to Submit
Input on Initial Report - Work Track 5 meeting - 14
November 2018<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Dear
Work Track 5 members,</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">This
is a reminder that the deadline to provide input on the
draft Initial Report is
<b><span style="color:black">Friday 16 November</span></b><span style="color:black">. If you would like the group to
discuss you input on the call tomorrow, please make sure
to send your input to the mailing list prior to the call.</span></span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Please find below the proposed agenda for
tomorrow’s call:</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">1. Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI Updates</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">2. Recommendation 11 - non-capital city names</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">3. Review new comments, clarifications, and
edits to the draft Initial Report</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">4. AOB</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Kind regards,</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Emily</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">From:
</span></b><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Emily
Barabas <<a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 8 November 2018 at 20:09<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Initial Report next steps and deadline
for input - Friday 16 November</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Dear Work Track 5 members,</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Thanks to all who have submitted comments about
the draft Initial Report on the mailing list and those who
were able to join the call yesterday to go through some of
the comments received that may require further discussion.
Please find attached a revised draft of the report
incorporating feedback received on the call. As a reminder,
the target date for publishing the Initial Report is 20
November. In view of this timeline, the Work Track
leadership team kindly requests that members <b>submit any
final feedback on the Initial Report no later than Friday
16 November</b>. You can either insert comments in a copy
of the attached document and send to the WT5 mailing list or
send your comments in the body of an email to the WT5 list,
identifying the page and line number of the text you are
referencing.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Below you will find some of the
questions/concerns raised in comments by members that still
may need additional input. The leadership team is sending
these on the mailing list to make sure that all members have
a chance to provide feedback, even if they were not able to
join the call.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black" lang="EN-US"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">On page
17 (recommendations section of the report) two WT members
commented that they felt it was premature to include any
preliminary recommendation in the Initial Report on the
topic of non-capital city names. Do you support removing
preliminary recommendation 11 on treatment of non-capital
city names? Or do you favor leaving the recommendation in
the report, noting that it can be changed for the Final
Report based on community input and further discussion in
the Work Track? Regardless of whether the recommendation is
kept or removed, there are two questions for community input
on this topic (e10 and e11) included in the Initial Report,
so the group can expect additional community feedback
through public comment to support further deliberations.</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:54.0pt;line-height:12.65pt">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black" lang="EN-US"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">On page
40 (deliberations section of the report) the text mentions
the following proposal put forward by a Work Track member:
“Once a gTLD is registered with an intended use that is
geographic in nature, all other variations and translations
of this term are unconditionally available for
registration.” Another Work Track member requested
clarification on the meaning of “unconditionally available”
and also requested clarification about which entities might
be able to apply for these variations and translations under
the proposal. Can the author of this proposal provide any
additional clarification?</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:54.0pt;line-height:12.65pt">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black" lang="EN-US"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">On page
41 (deliberations section of the report) the text mentions
the following proposal put forward by a Work Track member:
“Applicants for geographic names must apply to the GAC to
receive permission to submit an application for the string.”
Another Work Track member requested clarification about the
scope and meaning of this proposal, including how it would
interact with other requirements. Can the author of this
proposal provide any additional clarification?</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:54.0pt">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:black" lang="EN-US"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">On page
76 (deliberations section of the report) the text mentions
the following proposal put forward by a Work Track member:
“Apply a "bright-line" rule that any geographic term that is
not explicitly and expressly protected is unprotected. No
objection or non-consent can be used to stop its
registration.” Other Work Track members raised concern that
the term “bright line” rule may not be widely used and
understood, and further requested clarification on the scope
of this rule and the basis for protection. Can the author of
this proposal provide any additional clarification?</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Note that Work Track members are welcome to
comment on any other parts of the draft in addition to the
items listed above.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Kind regards,</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Emily</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Emily Barabas
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Manager</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Email:
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Phone: +31 (0)6 84507976</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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