<div><div><div dir="auto">Jorge,</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’ll skip over your procedural arguments, since debating assumptions or interpretations about the unwritten rules of commenting is tedious. I will just say that I assumed that once the window for comments closed, any remaining comments would be discussed, so your opportunity to comment was not a matter of luck. Turning to substance, which is a more useful discussion:</div><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Following your advice I did a search using Google for “principle of specialty”. Here’s the first result: “A principle of international law that is included in most extradition treaties, whereby a person who is extradited to a country to stand trial for certain criminal offenses may be tried only for those offenses and not for any other pre-extradition offenses.” Most of the next 30 results use it this way (and not all are U.S. sources).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There are a couple of trademark references: the 9th result is the WIPO document, and there are a couple of UK references. We do finally come to a U.S. source using it as a trademark term: an article on “The Confusing Similarity Standard in <i>Mexican</i> Law,” in “The Trademark Reporter.” I could find no references using it for U.S. or Canadian trademark law, regardless of the nationality of the source.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The point is that this term will have no meaning to lay readers and no meaning to a significant portion of knowledgeable readers. I’ve been practicing trademark law in the U.S. for over 30 years (dealing with trademark laws around the world), and I have rarely, if ever, seen the term.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’ll note that I was flexible when the term “bright line rule” was questioned. I think this is a reasonable request; it did not change the meaning and I’m surprised you object. I’m just trying to make our report understood by as many as possible. If you are insistent the term be used, then we need a footnote to explain it. According to the Swissberg law firm’s website “<b>Swiss trademark law is based on the principle of specialty,</b>” so you are comfortable with it. But we can’t assume general familiarity with the term.</div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As for “trademark fair use” I agree the term is widely known (though it may not be widely understood). Nonetheless, the Report is using the term incorrectly. Trademark fair use does <b>not </b>“<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.666666984558105px">allow the use [of] the same word for a trademark even within the same jurisdiction.” </span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.666666984558105px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.666666984558105px">I don’t know if you looked at the </span>Wikipedia page you cited, but it completely supports my objection — it discusses descriptive fair use (using a trademark term in a generic sense) and nominative fair use (using a trademark to refer to a trademarked good or service that can’t readily be identified another way — like a band). It may be a “<b>limit” </b>to trademark law, but it has nothing to do with the point at hand — whether two brand owners can use the same mark on unrelated goods and services in the same jurisdiction.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I hope that you will accept these neutral and well-meant changes, so we can stop wasting each other’s time, which is for me at least as scarce for you (unless the Swiss have devalued the minute) and in some sense more valuable, since I bill by the hour (and can’t bill anyone for this).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kind regards,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Greg</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 2:53 AM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Dear Greg and all<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Just very quickly:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The wording you aim at amending has been in the working paper for months:</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
“<span style="background:yellow">From this perspective</span>, under trademark law, the principles of specialty and of trademark "fair use"
<span style="background:yellow">apply</span>, according to which
<span style="background:yellow">it is possible for two brands to register</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT",sans-serif;background:yellow">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:yellow">trademarks for the same term in the same jurisdiction</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">,
<span style="background:yellow">as long as no confusion or</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"TimesNewRomanPSMT",sans-serif;background:yellow">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:yellow">infringement pursuant to the law arises.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-3524450891554172443m_9109854779467189435MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">It expresses the point of view of “some” (“from this perspective”)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Your comment came in the last minute – so it was perceived as a last minute attempt to change the point of view
of others, without a good chance for those others to intervene (unless, as in my case, they were lucky to have the time to look into these comments).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The “principle of specialty” is widely recognized in trademark law –btw we are not talking only about one specific
jurisdiction here- (just google it and you’ll find as first result the reference the WIPO definition: </span><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“The right of the owner of a mark to prevent
third parties from using that mark in trade is subject to the principle of specialty, according to which this right can only be asserted with regard to those goods and services in respect of which the trademark is protected, usually as a result of registration.30.03.2007”
SCT/17/3: Relation of Established Trademark Principles to ... – WIPO </span></i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.wipo.int/edocs/mdocs/sct/en/sct_17/sct_17_3.doc" target="_blank">www.wipo.int/edocs/mdocs/sct/en/sct_17/sct_17_3.doc</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-3524450891554172443m_9109854779467189435MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1f497d"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Also “fair use” is widely known as a
<b>limit</b> to trademark law – which is what the wording in the report is explaining (see
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use_(U.S._trademark_law))" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use_(U.S._trademark_law))</a>. Hence, next to the principle of specialty,<u></u></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.666666984558105px"> </span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.666666984558105px">it allows to use the same word for a trademark even within the same jurisdiction.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I hope that we leave it by this and avoid wasting each other’s time, which at least for me is a quite scarce resource…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 18. November 2018 23:54<br>
<b>An:</b> Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Cancio Jorge BAKOM <<a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>>; Emily Barabas <<a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>>; Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>></span></p></div></div><div lang="DE-CH" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-3524450891554172443m_9109854779467189435WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed Agenda and Reminder to Submit Input on Initial Report - Work Track 5 meeting - 14 November 2018<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">With regard to the objection to my comments (numbered as 69 and 70), the reasons for these were explained in detail in my submission. Unfortunately, those were left out of the document circulated
by staff. It is really incorrect and unfortunate to characterize these changes as ones intended to delete anyone's point of view.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">These comments were on the following text, and suggested that the first text highlighted below should be deleted and the second be added:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">TLDs are a unique resource. Some Work Track members have contrasted this<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">33 unique quality of TLDs with the use of names under trademark law. From this<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">34 perspective, under trademark law,
<span style="background:yellow">the principles of specialty and of trademark</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;background:yellow">35 "fair use" apply, according to which</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> it is possible for two brands to register<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">37 infringement pursuant to the law arises.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I'll explain again and hopefully more clearly. First the term "principle of specialty" is not one generally used in discussing US trademark law (perhaps like "bright line rule" it is a term
that does not travel well). I had to look it up to see what it meant. We need to use terms that will be commonly understood, at least by those with some knowledge of the subject matter. The added language "for unrelated goods and services" really covers
the same concept. Furthermore the added language corrects what is otherwise an ambiguous (and arguably, misleading) description of basic trademark laws (i.e., without that language, it leaves the impression that the same mark can be registered and used for
related goods and services in the same country). In other words, this was merely a clarifying change.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The second change (deleting the reference to "trademark 'fair use'") was also intended to be corrective, not to remove anyone's opinion. That is because this is an incorrect use of the term
"trademark fair use." Trademark fair use is not in any way related to the right to use a trademark for different goods and services than an existing trademark. Trademark fair use refers to either "descriptive" fair use -- the right to call an apple an apple,
regardless of Apple's trademark rights -- or to "nominative" fair use -- the right to call the Spice Girls the Spice Girls (e.g., in a ticket giveaway), even though Spice Girls is a trademark.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If these changes (or any others I suggested) are objectionable, they should be responded to in substance, rather than by broad (mis)characterization and/or by introducing ex post facto rules
about what changes can be made when, and which seem intended to dismiss changes without reaching their merits.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I'm as interested in closure as anyone, but sending out a report with incorrect assertions will delay closure in the long run.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:03 AM Marita Moll <<a href="mailto:mmoll@ca.inter.net" target="_blank">mmoll@ca.inter.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Yes, I think this is a valid comment. We could find ourselves right back at the beginning.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/14/2018 8:48 AM, <a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">
Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">Dear Emily and all</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">Thanks very much for the new text. I will not be able to make the call (am in Paris at the IGF), but let me share the general
observation that there <b>should not be changes in the last minute</b> which try to change the balance of the text as had been prepared by staff, especially changes which try to convey a different reflection of the discussions already had in the work track.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">I also would like to urge that we avoid last minute changes intended to change the description of what was said or argued
by “some”. Deleting or rephrasing of others’ opinions by others with a different opinion should be refrained from. For instance, I feel that the comments 69 and 70 from Greg go in that direction – I would urge not to do that – otherwise others may feel the
need to edit the opinions expressed by others, which at this stage is really meaningless.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">Kindly</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f497d">Jorge
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:11.0pt"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
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<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Emily Barabas<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 14. November 2018 14:26<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed Agenda and Reminder to Submit Input on Initial Report - Work Track 5 meeting - 14 November 2018</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks to those who shared additional comments and suggestions on the list. Please see the attached updated version of the document which
we will use on the call shortly. Comments highlighted in purple are those added since last week’s call. Those in yellow require further discussion and will be the focus of the call today.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Kind regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Emily</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Emily Barabas <<a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 13 November 2018 at 12:54<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Proposed Agenda and Reminder to Submit Input on Initial Report - Work Track 5 meeting - 14 November 2018</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear Work Track 5 members,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">This is a reminder that the deadline to provide input on the draft Initial Report is
<b><span style="color:black">Friday 16 November</span></b><span style="color:black">. If you would like the group to discuss you input on the call tomorrow, please make sure to send your input to the mailing list prior to the call.</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Please find below the proposed agenda for tomorrow’s call:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">1. Welcome/Agenda Review/SOI Updates</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">2. Recommendation 11 - non-capital city names</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">3. Review new comments, clarifications, and edits to the draft Initial Report</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Kind regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Emily</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Emily Barabas <<a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 8 November 2018 at 20:09<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Initial Report next steps and deadline for input - Friday 16 November</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Dear Work Track 5 members,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Thanks to all who have submitted comments about the draft Initial Report on the mailing list and those who were able to join
the call yesterday to go through some of the comments received that may require further discussion. Please find attached a revised draft of the report incorporating feedback received on the call. As a reminder, the target date for publishing the Initial Report
is 20 November. In view of this timeline, the Work Track leadership team kindly requests that members
<b>submit any final feedback on the Initial Report no later than Friday 16 November</b>. You can either insert comments in a copy of the attached document and send to the WT5 mailing list or send your comments in the body of an email to the WT5 list, identifying
the page and line number of the text you are referencing.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Below you will find some of the questions/concerns raised in comments by members that still may need additional input. The
leadership team is sending these on the mailing list to make sure that all members have a chance to provide feedback, even if they were not able to join the call.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">On page 17 (recommendations section of the report) two WT members commented that they felt it was premature to include any preliminary recommendation in the Initial Report on the topic of non-capital
city names. Do you support removing preliminary recommendation 11 on treatment of non-capital city names? Or do you favor leaving the recommendation in the report, noting that it can be changed for the Final Report based on community input and further discussion
in the Work Track? Regardless of whether the recommendation is kept or removed, there are two questions for community input on this topic (e10 and e11) included in the Initial Report, so the group can expect additional community feedback through public comment
to support further deliberations.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">On page 40 (deliberations section of the report) the text mentions the following proposal put forward by a Work Track member: “Once a gTLD is registered with an intended use that is geographic in
nature, all other variations and translations of this term are unconditionally available for registration.” Another Work Track member requested clarification on the meaning of “unconditionally available” and also requested clarification about which entities
might be able to apply for these variations and translations under the proposal. Can the author of this proposal provide any additional clarification?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">On page 41 (deliberations section of the report) the text mentions the following proposal put forward by a Work Track member: “Applicants for geographic names must apply to the GAC to receive permission
to submit an application for the string.” Another Work Track member requested clarification about the scope and meaning of this proposal, including how it would interact with other requirements. Can the author of this proposal provide any additional clarification?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">On page 76 (deliberations section of the report) the text mentions the following proposal put forward by a Work Track member: “Apply a "bright-line" rule that any geographic term that is not explicitly
and expressly protected is unprotected. No objection or non-consent can be used to stop its registration.” Other Work Track members raised concern that the term “bright line” rule may not be widely used and understood, and further requested clarification on
the scope of this rule and the basis for protection. Can the author of this proposal provide any additional clarification?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Note that Work Track members are welcome to comment on any other parts of the draft in addition to the items listed above.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Kind regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Emily</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Emily Barabas </span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">| Policy Manager</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Email: <a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank">
emily.barabas@icann.org</a> | Phone: +31 (0)6 84507976</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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