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<p class="MsoNormal">+1 Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Nick Wenban-Smith <Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 9, 2019 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Colin OBrien <COBrien@llflegal.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> lists@christopherwilkinson.eu; Sophie Hey <sophie.hey@valideus.com>; gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed clarification on intended use for city names<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It’s hard to see anything the WT5 participants agree on, starting from the basic definition of what is ‘geographic’ in the context of a new gTLD.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Arguably there’s a centre of gravity view that the 2012 rules weren’t totally bad, notwithstanding the .spa etc examples. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But having spent a couple of years now thoroughly unpacking all the issues I’d say the co-chairs should wrap things up as we’re just going round in circles and there’s clearly no consensus to change from 2012. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best wishes<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Nick <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 9 Aug 2019, at 20:09, Colin OBrien <<a href="mailto:COBrien@llflegal.com">COBrien@llflegal.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">In my opinion there is <b><u>not</u>
</b>a strongly held view in WT5 that all geographical names should benefit from prior authorisation or non-objection.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Otherwise the gTLD would confer a global private monopoly on the use of the name, without reference to the affected communities.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Predictability refers as much to the communities and users concerned as it does to the applicants.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">This appears to me to be a is a view held by a certain few members of WT5 that repeatedly bring it up.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I recommend a vote at the next meeting asking participants if they agree with the following statement:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">That <u>all</u> geographical names should benefit from prior authorisation or non-objection.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Colin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 9, 2019 11:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sophie Hey <<a href="mailto:sophie.hey@valideus.com">sophie.hey@valideus.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Proposed clarification on intended use for city names<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Dear Sophie Hay:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I am afraid to say that I cannot support this proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">1. There is a strongly held view in WT5 that all geographical names should benefit from prior authorisation or non-objection.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Otherwise the gTLD would confer a global private monopoly on the use of the name, without reference to the affected communities.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Predictability refers as much to the communities and users concerned as it does to the applicants.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">2. The reference to non-geographical use is quite problematic: How shall it be monitored and if necessary policed? What happens in the future should the local authorities wish to recuperate their name for
their own geographical purposes? Would there be a time limit? What do we mean by ‘primarily … associated…’ ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">3. Th reference to ‘brands’ needs some clarification.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">-<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>If the brand is a trademark somewhere, it is already extensively protected in the DNS. However trademarks relate to sectors of activity and jurisdictions. I believe that there is nothing in trademark law that would authorise a global monopoly for any
particular trademark, through a gTLD.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">-<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>if the brand is not a trademark, then one should be even more prudent; otherwise it might appear that the applicant is attempting an ‘end-run’ around the whole of trademark law by obtaining a global monopoly directly through a gTLD.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Naturally, if the name I question is also a geographical name, one risks embroiling the local authorities concerned in third party trademark disputes that are none of their making.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Best Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Christopher Wilkinson</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">PS: you will of course also be aware that several members of WT5 are quite sceptical about the scope and possibility for local authorities to ‘file objections’ etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">This is why there is a strong preference for preventative rather than ‘curative’ measures.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 9 Aug 2019, at 15:20, Sophie Hey <<a href="mailto:sophie.hey@valideus.com">sophie.hey@valideus.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Following the call this week and the request for proposals that we think could garner support, I would like to suggest amending the text in AGB 2.2.1.4.2 part 2 on non-capital
city names by adding the blue text.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It is clear from applicant statements within the application that the applicant will use the TLD primarily for purposes associated with the city name.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color:#4472C4">For
the avoidance of doubt, where the applicant states in their application that they intend to use the TLD as a .Brand (intend to have Specification 13 in their Registry Agreement) it will be taken that the TLD will not be used primarily for purposes associated
with the city name.</span></span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Rationale:</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The current AGB text states that “city names present challenges because city names may also be generic terms or brand names, and in many cases city names are not unique”.
This language does not aim to change the position from the AGB 2012, but merely aims to provide greater clarity and certainty for potential applicants. At the same time, it ensures that the relevant authorities are consulted when an applicant intends to use
a TLD for purposes associated with a city. If a government or local authority is concerned with an application, they are not precluded from filing an objection (as they could in 2012) or filing their own application. The current rules on resolving contention
sets in AGB 2.2.1.4.4 or module 4 will not be impacted by the text.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sophie Hey<br>
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