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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Dear Sophie,<br><br>The question arises: If a “real brand” is qualifying for Spec 13 on its own merits – why having to add such “general clause”? Could you provide an example of “harm” for “brands” if such clause would not exist? What do you try to “fix”? Each “fix” that creates an “automatic right” will be source for a “loophole”.<br><br>Long story short:<br>Your suggestion makes sense for real brands – but real brands qualify anyway by virtue of intended use – so your rule will only serve as loophole for tricksters; which we did ONLY not see in 2012 because nobody foresaw the success of city gTLDs (or rather: just a few where believers). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br>Alexander<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sophie Hey<br><b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 21. August 2019 14:52<br><b>To:</b> Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon@icann.org>; gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br><b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Post call | New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 5 – Geographic Names at the Top Level - call | Wednesday, 21 August 2019 at 05:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Following the discussion on non-capital city names on this call and the support and concerns expressed on additional language, I would like to suggest the following as alternative text to AGB 2.2.1.4.2 part 2. I have also included the entirety of part 2 for greater clarity. The blue text is the proposed addition, the black is what is currently in the AGB:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>2. An application for a city name, where the applicant declares that it intends to use the gTLD for purposes associated with the city name. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>City names present challenges because city names may also be generic terms or brand names, and in many cases city names are not unique. Unlike other types of geographic names, there are no established lists that can be used as objective references in the evaluation process. Thus, city names are not universally protected. However, the process does provide a means for cities and applicants to work together where desired.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>An application for a city name will be subject to the geographic names requirements (i.e., will require documentation of support or non-objection from the relevant governments or public authorities) if:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:36.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>(a)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>It is clear from applicant statements within the application that the applicant will use the TLD primarily for purposes associated with the city name. <span style='color:#4472C4'>For the avoidance of doubt, if an applicant declares in their application that they will operate the TLD as a dotBrand, then this is not a use of the TLD for “purposes associated with the city name”;</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormalCxSpMiddle style='margin-left:36.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;text-align:justify;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>(b)<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The applied-for string is a city name as listed on official city documents.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The previous blue language read as follows: </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4472C4'>For the avoidance of doubt, where the applicant states in their application that they intend to use the TLD as a .Brand (intend to have Specification 13 in their Registry Agreement) it will be taken that the TLD will not be used primarily for purposes associated with the city name.</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Looking forward to hearing everyone’s thoughts on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sophie Hey<br></span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Policy Advisor<br><b>Valideus</b><br>D: +44 (0) 20 7421 8252<br>E: <a href="mailto:sophie.hey@valideus.com">sophie.hey@valideus.com</a></span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#769E91'>Com Laude, Demys and Valideus August Bank Holiday Opening Hours<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The UK offices of Com Laude Group will be closed for a UK public holiday on Monday 26 August 2019, reopening on Tuesday 27 August 2019. If you have an urgent matter for the Valideus team, please email <a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com">jeff.neuman@valideus.com</a>, and cc your client manager. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrea Glandon<br><b>Sent:</b> 21 August 2019 07:28<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Post call | New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 5 – Geographic Names at the Top Level - call | Wednesday, 21 August 2019 at 05:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>All recordings for the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>New<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span class=spelle>gTLD</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 5 – Geographic Names at the Top Level -<span class=apple-converted-space> call </span>held<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>on<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>21 August 2019 at 14:00 UTC<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>can be found<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>on the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/faujBg">agenda wiki page </a>(attendance<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>included)<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>and the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=lhHF0M6JaIYeLBnC3Q9bqu2sZWPv1nLAgZnVMGCKrHU&s=Tzxf9LTtBSdrMY8pcfoDex94Y46jW4hgjQNgWe51VqU&e="><span style='color:#954F72'>GNSO Master calendar<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>These include:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0cm;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Attendance (please let me know if your name has been left off the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>attendance list)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Audio<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>recording<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Zoom chat archive<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Zoom recording (including audio, visual, rough transcript)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Transcript<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>As a reminder only members can join the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>call, observers can listen to the recordings and read the transcript afterwards. Please email <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org"><span style='color:black'>gnso-secs@icann.org</span></a> if you would like to change your status from observer to member. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>For additional information, you may consult the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5/"><span style='color:#954F72'>mailing list archives </span></a>and the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/YASbAw"><span style='color:#954F72'>main wiki page</span></a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Andrea<o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient. 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