<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Dear Nick:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The AGB text about geographical names cannot be taken as a ‘rule’ for the Geo-names phases of the next round.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(a) Recognising that there was a problem, WT5 was set up with a particular structure, incorporating full AS/SO leadership and participation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(b) As far as I am concerned, the whole point of WT5 is to propose definitions, rules and policies that are more acceptable to the community, particularly - in this case - to the global community outside ICANN.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(c) Recent experience has amply confirmed that there are indeed serious problems with the current definition, which could very well get worse in a new round. I am sure that ICANN’s friends and critics are watching us.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">CW</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 23 Aug 2019, at 13:14, Nick Wenban-Smith <<a href="mailto:Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk" class="">Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Hi Christopher<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">It all comes back to the definitions.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">The 2012 AGB may have had plenty of deficiencies, but whether it’s good policy or not it did clearly and tightly define “geographic” (in section 2.2.1.4).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Neither Ben Nevis nor Scot met the definition, so it’s clearly correct (as per the rules in the 2012 AGB, and if we are not going to follow them then what’s the point of a rulebook?).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">It’s the lack of agreement on this basic definition which has been the difficulty bedevilling the whole WT5 work stream IMO.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Best wishes<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Nick<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" class="">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a> <<a href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" class="">lists@christopherwilkinson.eu</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>20 August 2019 19:39<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Nick Wenban-Smith <<a href="mailto:Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk" class="">Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch" class="">Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch</a>; <a href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com" class="">susan.payne@valideus.com</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Scotland - [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Preparation for WT5 Meeting 14 August and Final Topic Discussion - non-AGB terms<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dear Nick: I think the Ben Nevis question should be resolved by the Scottish Administration at the level of subsidiarity that they would determine.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">In any case, I would hope that they would refer to ‘whisky distilleries’.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">P.CW<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">PS: To this day I am ‘abasourdi’ by a then GNP decision under 2012 AGP that .scot is not a geographical term!<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 19 Aug 2019, at 18:29, Nick Wenban-Smith <<a href="mailto:Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Nick.Wenban-Smith@nominet.uk</a>> wrote:</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>