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    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">This possibility of
        getting letters of non-objection from smaller entities, then
        turning it around for profit without any added value to another
        entity exists in the real estate world in North America -- it is
        called home flipping -- frowned upon but totally legal. There is
        every reason to expect this scenario to play out in the gTLD
        world if it is allowed. So, a clarification of these rules is
        really important.</font></p>
    <p><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Marita</font><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/28/2019 9:58 AM, Alexander
      Schubert wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In
            the wake of the risk of small city entities providing
            letters of non-objection; could we please also clarify the
            geo-name string contention rules? I quote from the 2012 AGB
            (page 73 of 338 in the PDF document), 2.2.1.4.4 Review
            Procedure for Geographic Names:<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">“If
                there is more than one application for a string<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">representing
                a certain geographic name as described in<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">this
                section, </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">and
                the applications have requisite<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">government
                approvals, the applications will be suspended<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">pending
                resolution by the applicants</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">.
                If the applicants<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">have
                not reached a resolution by either the date of the<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">end
                of the application round (as announced by ICANN), or<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">the
                date on which ICANN opens a subsequent application<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">round,
                whichever comes first, the applications will be<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">rejected
                and applicable refunds will be available to<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">applicants
                according to the conditions described in<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">section
                1.5.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">However</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">,
                in the event that a contention set is composed of<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">multiple
                applications with documentation of </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">support
                from<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">the
                same government or public authority</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">,
                the applications<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">will
              </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">proceed
              </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">through
                the </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">contention
                resolution procedures</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%"><o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">described
                in Module 4 when requested by the government<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#2E75B6;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">or
                public authority providing the documentation.”<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So
            in other words:<br>
            Somebody participates in a public tender of a multi-million
            people city, gets the letter of non-objection, and applies.
            Some profiteer also gets a letter of non-objection for that
            string – albeit from a tiny 1,000 people “city”. If I do
            interpret this policy right then the applicant for the tiny
            place can now lay back and demand ANY ransom he wants:
            because the alternative is that BOTH applications will be
            rejected AND REFUNDED? So we do invite tricksters to search
            for “public tenders” of cities – then get support letters
            from tiny cities – then lay back and RISK FREE wait for
            extortion moneys – or get a full refund?<br>
            <br>
            Really? Or do I misunderstand the policy?<br>
            <br>
            Thanks,<br>
            <br>
            Alexander<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>Alexander Schubert<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 28, 2019 4:31 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> 'Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5'
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org"><gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] City names:
                "non-objection from all the relevant governments or
                public authorities"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear
            Greg,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">You
            wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6">“This
                seems to indicate that the whole geoTLD thing is a
                racket (or at least, has the capacity to be one): that
                any geoTLD operator can state their "intention" to use
                the string in connection with a particular place in
                their application, and then turn around and do whatever
                they want in connection with marketing that gTLD or the
                sale of second level domains (and that each registrars
                may be able to "do their own thing" as well).   Why
                would ICANN support this "land-grab" when it's just a
                set-up for a "bait and switch"? “<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">EXACTLY!
            That’s why I am trying to find out whether the geo-panel
            applied the 2012 AGB correctly – and what ramifications the
            way they apply the AGB has in the next round!<br>
            <br>
            The AGB clearly speaks about “STRING” – not “geo-entity” or
            “application”. A “string” is just a number of characters –
            it does NOT create any connotation or affiliation with an
            applicant, it’s “intentions” or a SPECIFIC geo-entity! So I
            would say the geo-panel did wrong. Here the wording again:<br>
            <br>
            The 2012 AGB 2.2.1.4.2  §4 (PDF page 69) states:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6">“In
                the event that there is </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">more
                than one relevant government or public authority for the
                applied-for gTLD string</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6">,
                <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6">   the
                applicant must provide documentation of support or
                non-objection from all the relevant governments or
                public authorities.”<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What
            I hear here is that folks assume (and the geo-panel acted
            accordingly) that “string” would be associated with a
            specific geo-entity (or “entities”). If we want THAT to be
            the case then we would need to replace “string” with
            “application” or “geo-entity”. Maybe others have an even
            better term. <br>
            <br>
            There are several city governments that are “relevant” for
            the “string” MIAMI – e.g. City of Miami in Florida, and
            Miami in Oklahoma (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami,_Oklahoma). <br>
            <br>
            So if you want that the geo-panel will only require a letter
            of support from the geo-entity that has been explicitly
            targeted via statements made in the respective application:
            SAY SO! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">But
            if we change 2.2.1.4.2  §4 and reduce the letter of
            non-objection requirement to targeted geo-entity authorities
            we need to introduce a rule that protects the bigger
            populations of bigger cities that bear the identical name!
            Otherwise why participating in the public tender for
            “Oakland” (California) – when an applicant can simply go and
            offer a small revenue share to the city of Oakland in Iowa
            (1,500 people)?<br>
            <br>
            There aren’t too many cases with duplicate cities.
            Applicants will generally  apply for BIG cities – as only
            big cities will create enough registrations to sustain a
            gTLD. In those cases IF there are duplicate cities – these
            are USUALLY tiny! Exceptions exist of course – but in almost
            all cases that I researched (and “Berlin” or “Miami” are
            good examples) the “other cities” are all TINY! Nobody in a
            10,000 people nest would ever apply for “their gTLD” (and
            yes: “Aspen” would be an exception, but there are ALWAYS
            exceptions). So the occasion where somebody wanted to apply
            for a specific city – but there would be a MUCH larger city
            with the same name: That would be VERY SELDOM! Usually it is
            ALWAYS the other way around.<br>
            <br>
            Hence to avoid the “bait and switch” scenario (someone get’s
            the support letter from a small city; then markets to the
            big city) why not simply requiring that IF there was a
            bigger city – a letter of non-objection from THAT city would
            be required as well! We could build in a factor “X”, e.g.: 
            Blue is the original language, and red the addition, change!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6">“In
                the event that there is more than one relevant
                government or public authority for the </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">geo-entity
                targeted by the gTLD application</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6">,
                <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6">   the
                applicant must provide documentation of support or
                non-objection from all the relevant governments or
                public authorities.<br>
                   </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">This
                includes governments or public authorities of other
                identical name geo-entities with a population exceeding
                the targeted geo-entity (by factor X)”</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#2E75B6"><o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
            The addition “by factor X” could be left away if factor X is
            1! Otherwise I think factor 5 would make sense. In reality
            you will NOT find any city where a gTLD is of any
            substantial benefit for the citizens – and there is ANOTHER
            identical name city with 500% population. In the Toledo
            example: I am very hard pressed that ANYBODY would ever try
            to apply for Toledo having in mind the city in Spain. But IF
            SO – the U.S. based Toledo is only 2.9 times bigger! So the
            U.S. Toledo would have to object – but no letter of support
            is needed (and note: the current AGB wouldn’t protect them
            either!)! But the suggested policy change would prevent
            cases where applicants go to the SMALLISH twin cities
            (Miami, Oakland, most huge cities of a smallish twin
            somewhere) to circumvent acquiring letters of non-objection
            from the big city! <br>
            <br>
            Does this make sense? If we do NOT implement this (or
            similar) language, then applicants for non-capital cities
            will flock to get letters of non-objection from
            “small-city”! <br>
            <br>
            Thanks,<br>
            <br>
            Alexander<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
            <br>
          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">ling delivery altogether (e.g., for a
              vacation), and so on.<o:p></o:p></p>
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