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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hi Justine,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Personally I think the terms of Specification 13 achieve the same outcome as the declaration you would like. However, recognising the concerns you and others share,
what if we altered the language so that it states:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">“</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4472C4">For the avoidance of doubt, if an applicant declares in their application that
they will:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4472C4">operate the TLD exclusively as a dotBrand; and</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:black;margin-left:3.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4472C4">not use the TLD primarily for purposes associated with a city sharing the same name;</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4472C4">then this is not a use of the TLD for “purposes associated with the city name”.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Would you (and others) be willing to support then? I am open to alternative language in part (ii).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Sophie Hey<br>
</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Policy Advisor<br>
<b>Valideus</b><br>
D: +44 (0) 20 7421 8252<br>
E: <a href="mailto:sophie.hey@valideus.com"><span style="color:#0563C1">sophie.hey@valideus.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Justine Chew <justine.chew@gmail.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> 30 August 2019 14:19<br>
<b>To:</b> Sophie Hey <sophie.hey@valideus.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Follow up on non-capital city names<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Repeating once again, I do not think it is wise to oust applicability of a key requirement by mere presumption or inference. For optimal avoidance of doubt and maximum transparency,
applicants should explicitly state whether they will or will not use their TLD </span>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">primarily for purposes associated with the city name. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">So no, I do support this amended proposal. </span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
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Justine </span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 13:07, Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON GmbH <<a href="mailto:ohlmer@dotzon.com">ohlmer@dotzon.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE">Dear Sophie,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE">thanks fort he new proposal.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE">However, the issue with singling out one category of applications remains and will lead to more confusion than clarity. Also, the new proposal lacks the clarification
I added with the definite list of cities. Further, negating that there are definite lists of cities seems to be inaccurate in light of the lists which have been proposed over time in the WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE">We do not support the proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE">Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE">Katrin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">DOTZON GmbH - digital identities for tomorrow<br>
Akazienstrasse 28<br>
10823 Berlin<br>
Deutschland - Germany<br>
Tel: +49 30 49802722<br>
Fax: +49 30 49802727<br>
Mobile: +49 173 2019240<br>
<a href="mailto:ohlmer@dotzon.consulting" target="_blank">ohlmer@dotzon.consulting</a><br>
<a href="http://www.dotzon.consulting/" target="_blank">www.dotzon.consulting</a></span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Besuchen Sie uns auf
<a href="https://de.linkedin.com/company/dotzon-gmbh" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>.</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
DOTZON GmbH<br>
Registergericht: Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg, HRB 118598<br>
Geschäftsführer: Katrin Ohlmer<br>
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Akazienstrasse 28, 10823 Berlin</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE"> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Sophie Hey<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 28. August 2019 17:39<br>
<b>An:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Follow up on non-capital city names<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="DE"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">All,</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Just to follow up on the text which I think could combine the two proposals on non-capital city names.
The text additional to the 2012 AGB is in blue. I have incorporated the list from Katrin’s proposal into the preamble and the national legislation reference remains in the body of the provision.
</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Hoping we can come to agreement on this!</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Sophie</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2. An application for a city name, where the applicant declares that it intends to use the gTLD for purposes associated
with the city name.</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">City names present challenges because city names may also be generic terms or brand names, and in many cases city names
are not unique. Unlike other types of geographic names, there are no established lists that can be used as objective references in the evaluation process.
<span style="color:#4472C4">However, applicants may find it useful to review the 2017 UN Demographic Yearbook Table 8 to find a list of city names with more than 100,000 inhabitants as a reference point
<a href="https://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic-social/products/dyb/documents/dyb2017/table08.pdf" target="_blank">
<span style="color:#4472C4">https://unstats.un.org/unsd/</span></a><a href="https://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic-social/products/dyb/documents/dyb2017/table08.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color:#4472C4">demographic-social</span></a><a href="https://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic-social/products/dyb/documents/dyb2017/table08.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color:#4472C4">/products/dyb/documents/dyb2017/table08.pdf</span></a></span>.
Thus, city names are not universally protected. However, the process does provide a means for cities and applicants to work together where desired.
</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">An application for a city name will be subject to the geographic names requirements (i.e., will require documentation
of support or non-objection from the relevant governments or public authorities) if:</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">It is clear from applicant statements within the application that the applicant will use the TLD primarily for purposes associated with the city name.
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For the avoidance of doubt, if an applicant declares in their application that they will operate the TLD exclusively as a dotBrand, then this is not a use of the TLD for “purposes associated
with the city name”; and</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="gmail-m-7882777260579365130msolistparagraph" style="color:#4472C4;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">The applied-for string is
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">an exact match of
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">a city name as listed on official city documents
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">or as set out in national legislation designating the place as a city.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Sophie Hey<br>
</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Policy Advisor<br>
<br>
<b>Valideus<br>
</b>28-30 Little Russell Street<br>
London WC1A 2HN<br>
United Kingdom<br>
<br>
D: +44 (0) 20 7421 8252<br>
T: +44 (0) 20 7421 8299<br>
E: <a href="mailto:sophie.hey@valideus.com" target="_blank">sophie.hey@valideus.com</a><br>
<a href="http://www.valideus.com/" target="_blank">www.valideus.com</a></span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
<img border="0" width="260" height="70" style="width:2.7083in;height:.7291in" id="gmail-m_-7882777260579365130B9331034-441F-49D8-A466-645251B2C89D" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D55F42.A17E31E0"></span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the sender’s own and not made on behalf of Valideus.
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received this message in error, please send it back to us, and immediately and permanently delete it. Do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment.
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Our registered office is at 28-30 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN.</span><span lang="DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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and Wales with company number 06181291 and registered office at 28-30 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN England; Demys Limited, a company registered in Scotland with company number SC197176, having its registered office at 33 Melville Street, Edinburgh,
Lothian, EH3 7JF Scotland; Consonum, Inc. dba Com Laude USA and Valideus USA, headquartered at 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600, McLean, VA 22102, USA; Com Laude (Japan) Corporation, a company registered in Japan having its registered office at Suite 319,1-3-21
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