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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Btw:<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Have we so far agreed on ANY significant “change” of the 2012 rules in regard to geo-names?<br><br>One point we haven’t yet raised: Shouldn’t there be a maximum age for the date when the letter of non-objection (or support) was signed? It’s cool if applicants have support early in the game – but for fairness and to allow potential applicants that come in AFTER the guidebook is published such applicant should be required to refresh such early stage signature X moth before the application window opens. E.g. 3 month. A 2 year old support letter (maybe even predating the publication of the AGB) is insufficient in my view.<br><br>Also it would be super helpful if we craft a sample letter of NON-OBJECTION. So far only one for “support” exists. A city will find it much easier to sign something that is EXACT COPY from the applicant guidebook. And in some jurisdictions a city authority might have no problems signing such letter – but cannot (e.g. for legal reasons) sign a SUPPORT letter (e.g. because the city isn’t allowed to “support” a private business entity). So how to provide a city with a sample “non-objection” letter if it is not in the AGB?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Alexander<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robin Gross<br><b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 4. September 2019 22:42<br><b>To:</b> Mike Rodenbaugh <mike@rodenbaugh.com>; gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Topic Follow-Up - Additional Categories of Terms Not Included in the 2012 Applicant Guidebook<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>While I am extremely appreciative of significant efforts by many to find a compromise proposal, I also believe the best option on the table is to maintain the existing policy in the applicant guidebook, and so I also do not support these proposals.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Robin<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 4, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Mike Rodenbaugh <<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am opposed to both proposals for reasons previously stated. Seems to be a non-solution to a non-problem, which in effect is only likely to create more problems and less certainty for applicants and ICANN.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Mike Rodenbaugh<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>RODENBAUGH LAW<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a href="http://rodenbaugh.law/" target="_blank">http://rodenbaugh.law</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 4:12 AM Emily Barabas <<a href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Sent on behalf of the WT5 Co-Leaders: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Dear Work Track 5 members, </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>This email follows up on agenda item 2 covered on last week’s WT5 call: Closure of Discussion on Additional Categories of Terms Not Included in the 2012 Applicant Guidebook (agenda, notes, recording and slides available here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/f6ujBg" target="_blank" title="https://community.icann.org/x/f6ujBg">https://community.icann.org/x/f6ujBg</a>). </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>On the call, the WT discussed two proposals (see attached) that require governments to be contacted if applications are submitted for certain strings. The first proposal includes adjectival forms of country names and other terms with geographic meaning. The second proposal focuses only on exact matches of adjectival forms of country names. Based on discussion on the call and mailing list, it appears that there is some support for and no significant opposition to a contact requirement in the case of adjectival forms of country names. Different views were expressed on requiring government contact in the case of additional terms.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>On the call, it was discussed that one possible path forward is to have a contact requirement in the case of adjectival forms of country names and a best practice to contact governments for the additional terms specified proposal 1. To help start discussion on whether this may achieve support from the group, sample text for such a proposal is included below. Members are encouraged to provide feedback on whether this is something they could support or accept in principle. Exact wording can be adjusted if there appears to be sufficient support on the concept of a proposal “1.5”.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>On this week’s call, we will discuss the feedback received on the mailing list and seek to determine if either proposal 2 or a formulation of proposal 1.5 may be an acceptable path forward. The goal is to close discussion on the topic of Additional Categories of Terms Not Included in the 2012 Applicant Guidebook this week. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>WT5 Co-Leaders<br>Olga Cavalli, Annebeth Lange, Javier Rúa-Jovet, Martin Sutton</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>For Discussion – Proposal 1.5</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Part A:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Affected strings</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>: Exact matches of adjectival forms of country names (as set out in the ISO 3166-1 list), in the official language(s) of the country in question. The adjectival forms of country names shall be found on the World Bank Country Names and Adjectives list (World Bank List <<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__siteresources.worldbank.org_TRANSLATIONSERVICESEXT_Resources_CountryNamesandAdjectives.doc&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mBQzlSaM6eYCHFBU-v48zs-QSrjHB0aWmHuE4X4drzI&m=bMB3G-NujRTLfV1PRKN3jynz0SA-igAn7rLipatWVGI&s=0OREfAeXcAR4VsYcLCanwZmHAZ0OM82_pDbDVJjHItk&e=" target="_blank" title="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__siteresources.worldbank.org_TRANSLATIONSERVICESEXT_Resources_CountryNamesandAdjectives.doc&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mBQzlSaM6eYCHFBU-v48zs-QSrjHB0aWmHuE4X4drzI&m=bMB3G-Nu"><span style='color:purple'>https://siteresources.worldbank.org/TRANSLATIONSERVICESEXT/Resources/CountryNamesandAdjectives.doc [siteresources.worldbank.org]</span></a>>).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Requirement for applicants</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>: Applicants will be under an obligation to contact the relevant public authorities. Said obligation to contact must be fulfilled, at the latest, in the period between applications closing and reveal day, but an applicant may choose to notify earlier than this. Said obligation to put on notice the relevant public authorities may be performed in an automatized fashion by ICANN Org, if the applicant so wishes.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Requirement for governments:</span></u><span class=gmail-m-4267954721613112264apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>GAC or UN Members must provide relevant contact details of the relevant public authorities to ICANN at least three (3) months in advance of the opening of each application window.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Part B:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><br><br><u>Affected strings</u>: Other terms with geographic meaning, as notified by GAC Members or other UN Members to the ICANN Organization within a deadline of 12 months following the adoption of this proposal. In such notifications the interested countries must provide the source in national law for considering the relevant term as especially protected; The list of notified terms shall be made publicly available by ICANN Org.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Best practice for applicants</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>: Applicants are encouraged to consider proceeding with a voluntary notification to the relevant public authorities.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Requirement for governments</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>: Interested GAC or UN Members must provide relevant contact details of the relevant public authorities to ICANN at least three (3) months in advance of the opening of each application window.<br><br><br><b>Applying to both Part A and Part B</b>:<span class=gmail-m-4267954721613112264apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>No further legal effect</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>: There is no further obligation whatsoever arising from these provisions and they may not be construed as requiring a letter of non-objection from the relevant public authority. Nothing in these provisions may be construed against an applicant or ICANN Org as an admission that the applicant or ICANN Org believes that the Affected String is geographical in nature, is protected under law, or that the relevant government has any particular right to take action against an application for the TLD consisting of the Affected String.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" target="_blank">Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>) and the website Terms of Service (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). 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