<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Paul,<br><br>I respectfully disagree with your comment about the answer being "no" on both the calls and the list. <br><br>It is for the co-leads to decipher the level of support for the question at hand (or any question, for that matter) and I think they have not been able to do so either way with all of WT5 (beyond the folks who have or have not been able to attend the calls) and are attempting to do so with this straw poll.<br><br>Since WT5 discussions are available to anyone on the list (at least), I don't think it's fair to say we are "<i>now asked again in a vacuum</i>" to express either support or opposition to the proposal whether to recommend an <span class="gmail_default"></span><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Early Reveal Process for Adjectival Form of Country
Names or not.</span></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br><font face="arial, sans-serif">Regards,<br>Justine </font><br>-----</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 04:46, McGrady, Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com">PMcGrady@taftlaw.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks Martin. While I understand the desire to give voice to those who did not attend the call, it is important to remember that those who would be responding
to the straw poll will be doing so without the benefit of having attended the calls and having heard the very detailed back and forth and the reasons why we got to stalemate on the calls (unless, of course they would commit to listening to the call recordings
in advance of responding to the straw poll, but there is no request or mechanism for this within the straw poll). As mentioned before, I think excising this one item out of its context and asking for folks who may not have the benefit of the context to indicate
their position is stretching us very far down and really calls into question why we have the calls in the first place and not simply do all of this by listserv and then “straw polls” which are not consensus calls or any other mechanism I am aware of under
GNSO operating procedure. I’m with Robin on this – it just looks like the question is going to keep being asked (on the calls – answer “no”) and asked (on the list – answer “no”) and now asked again in a vacuum (via a straw poll) until the WT finally comes
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Please respond - straw poll on Early Reveal Process for Adjectival Form of Country Names - deadline Tuesday 10 September at 14:00 UTC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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rights. While I did try find a way forward, there were just too many slippery slope tack-ons and too many voices, including the USG’s (representing 330 million people) indicating no interest. So, what is the purpose of the poll? Is it meant to revive the
conversation? We were told on the call that the conversation is closed.</span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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this proposal and agree not tack-on slippery slope additions such as extended time for governments to object” or that sort of thing, the poll might be interesting (assuming we re-open something that was declared closed on the list, which I don’t think we should
be doing).</span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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poll is just to create a new baseline upon which all others can then tack-on all the other overreaching ideas and wish lists they want.</span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="gmail-m_8176054459096545693gmail-m3776153439657914810apple-converted-space"> </span>[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Please respond - straw poll on Early Reveal Process for Adjectival Form of Country Names - deadline Tuesday 10 September at 14:00 UTC</span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Names. To gather input from all members, including those who were not able to join the call yesterday, the co-leaders would like to hold a straw poll to get a sense of the different perspectives. Note that this is not a vote and will not be treated as such.</span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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