[Gnso-newgtld-wg] Package 6

Tue Jun 30 12:31:20 UTC 2020

Thanks Rubens.  I agree, to a certain extent, it is fruitless to discuss what the default is.  But, that is not what this draft report does.  It reports, inaccurately, that there was a ban when there wasn’t by the clear language of the Board resolution.  I can’t sign on to something that is historically inaccurate.  It needs to be fixed to reflect history, not one side’s rhetorical position.

Best,
Paul

From: Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org> On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 10:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Package 6

Board could ban closed generics in 2012, but they decided to punt to us the decision.
Now that we haven't reached a decision, we will be punting back to Board, which might allow them or not, at their discretion.

We are not providing recommendation either way, so no outcome of the WG can be read as banning or allowing them.
And it's fruitless to discuss which was the default in this case, since the Board couldn't care less about the WG rule on defaults.
They will apply their own thinking to what is on the table, including GAC Advice, and make a decision.
One that GNSO won't be able to challenge (5/6 majority) since we don't have any recommendation on it.

Rubens

On 30 Jun 2020, at 00:17, Mike Rodenbaugh <mike at rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike at rodenbaugh.com>> wrote:

Agreed, there is no consensus that "closed generics", however defined, should be banned.  It is certain that the Board did not ban them, nor could they.

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 2:44 PM Marc Trachtenberg via Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org>> wrote:
+1 to Paul.  Everyone does not agree with that position.

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Subject: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Package 6

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Hi Jeff & Cheryl,

I was under the impression that we were going to discuss Closed Generics again, but I see it is Package 6.  Is Closed Generics not on the agenda for upcoming calls?  If it is, how can we be doing the so-called “Can’t live with” exercise when the topic isn’t closed on the calls?

Also, I see that the text indicates that the WG agrees the Board instituted a ban on them in the last round.  That is not what the Board resolution says – and in fact there was much discussion on the calls and chat about how “ban” does not apply.  There were three options:  (1) make a change to non-exclusive access, (2) maintain & defer to the next round, or (3) withdraw. Is there a way to make that section reflect the actual facts before we have to undertake the so-called “can’t live with” exercise? The way it is written now essentially takes the starting position of the part of the WG that wants to censor closed generics and implies everyone agrees with it. That isn’t the case.

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Paul

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