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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on Monday, 04 April 2016 at 22:00 UTC.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on Monday, 04 April 2016 at 22:00 UTC</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:If you do wish to speak during the call, please either dial into the audio bridge and give the operator the password NEW gTLD, OR click on the telephone icon at the top of the AC room to activate
your AC mics. Please remember to mute your phone and mics when not talking.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:Hi Michelle, Hi steve, Hi all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Hello, welcome Kavouss!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Odd Audio .. someone needs to mute</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Chan:Hi Kavouss, everyone! Welcome to the call.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:Michelle,</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:I have not been dialed up yet</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:Couls someone ask the operator to dial my Number pls </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Hello Kavouss - I just sent you a private chat </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):hi Jeff</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):Just dialing in now.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Yoshi Murakami(JPRS):Hi</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Steve COates - You have a much better phone :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:hi everyone!! </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:No its just my sloppy typing</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):LOL</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Frederic Guillemaut SafebRands:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Phil Buckingham:hi everyone </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:Hello</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:Dont need a phone bridge appaerntly all is fine</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlos Raul Gutierrez: thank you Steve</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Per question about Dr Crocker's letter, it was to ask the WG (and the CCT Review Team) to review the concerns raised by the ALAC and the GAC regarding effectiveness of the PICS safeguards (from the GAC's
Category 1)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:i will remain just at Adobe.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Someone should mute</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Please mute if you're not speaking, thank you!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):MUTE</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:Howdy all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rudi Vansnick:sorry had connection problems .. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:hi Rudi, Carlton, Cheryl...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Hi</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:Echo echo echo</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:ecco </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:Hi Vanda, CLO, Rudi</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rudi Vansnick:a lot of well known people here ;)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:Hi Alan</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:Howdy</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:hi Alan</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Craig - fTLD Registry:Can you please make the font a litttle larger?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):second readings in Meetings is a good practice</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Chan:@Craig, you should be able to adjust the font size on your end</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Craig - fTLD Registry:Yep, thanks!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):and BTW that started in ccNSO FOI WG as a practice ;-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Martin Sutton BRG:Agree with Jeff - this helps with the time zones where some may not be able to join each call. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:+ 1 Alan</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Also a decision LOG is helful </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):helpful</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:Alan+1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)::-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:First reading decision is normally the result of discussion and therefore not documentable ahead of time.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:@CLO: +1 on decision logs</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):I don't hear anything, Jeff.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:What this list lacks is the Terms of Reference</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:There were four of them</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:do we still need the word "should"?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:1) Whether there should be new TLDs.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:I think IDNs are a fact of life now</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:2) What are the criteria for awarding them?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Craig - fTLD Registry:Agree with Alan.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlos Raul Gutierrez:agree with Alan</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):I tend to agree with Alan.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:3) What is the allocation process</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:At that time both ccTLD IDN Fast Track and gTLDs were under consideration. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yup agree</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:4) What should be the contractual terms</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:If any of these Principles are considered no longer available, do we need to formally say why this is so?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:sorry, no longer applicable ...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:The principles, recommendations and implementation guidelines are meant to answer these four over arching questions</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I would thnk a rationale is important es Donna</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:I think we demonstrated realtively well that we were not able to homour Principle A in the first round.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:@Alan, that may be the case but the principle remains relevant.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:Anyway could just astate new top level domains can be in both ASCII and IDN formats</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yup</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Agree.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:@Vanda: +1. Just state that as a principle</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jon Nevett:Vanda +1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:in a better english please</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:I would like to see a principle here that take out and make geographic and service provider diversity a major goal!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:I agree with Vanda that "C" is not well drafted, and should be revised for that reason.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:+1 to sync wording with new bylaws. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thx Greg </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:I don't think there is anything in the principles that would prevent service-provider accreditation and/or aggregated evaluation. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:I wasn't suggesting that we not do it. It was just an observation.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):Agree with you Jeff.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robert Burlingame (Pillsbury):For C, perhaps "One of the reasons for introducing new top-level domains is that there is demand from potential applicants for new top-level domains in both ASCII and IDN formats. Furthermore,
the introduction of new top-level domains has the potential to promote: competition in the provision of registry services; consumer choice; market differentiation; and geographical and service-provider diversity.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kevin Kreuser:we should scrap principle B. cannot control what is applied for. C covers IDNs.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:I'm not on audio, but this one (Principle G) was not or at least insufficiently implemented.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Ayden Ferdeline:re: G, why only the "applicant's" freedm of expression rights?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:Refer G: I think more should be said about the string evaluation process. There's more to it than freedom of expression!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Just to draw the WG's attention to the GAC 2007 Principles on New gTLDs, which are advice to the Board. Not suggesting anything specific for this current discussion but I expect
that GAC members will wish to raise some aspects of them at some point. I can circulate the link to the mail list.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:@Ayden, because other freedom of expression rights are covered by overall consensus policies. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:@Tom, does the GAC intend to revise their Principles in light of the 2012 round?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:I disagree with removing principle g</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlos Raul Gutierrez (mobile):@robin it was suggested to move from principles to recommendations</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlos Raul Gutierrez (mobile):not to eliminate</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Donna, that has been alluded to in GAC discussions but the specifics of a process are yet to be discussed in detail.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:Thanks Tom</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jon Nevett:agree with Robin</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:The recomendations and principles are supposed to work together. They aren't an either or proposition.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:@Greg: I agree twith Greg to the extent that principles should be inviolate. I think it is important to scribe a principle on the string evalaution process because so much of outcome depends on this!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:being under principle further discussion will not change it while as recommendation can be follow or not and related to rights it is relevant to pay attention </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlos Raul Gutierrez (mobile):correct @Robin, but the whole list suffers from the expectations that something could go earl</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:We should either make "G" a recommendation or move some of the recommendations up to principles.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlos Raul Gutierrez (mobile):go wrong</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:A is the least followed principle, with G second. B to F were followed. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:Iam disconncted </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:I do not hear or unable to hear the reaction to my suggestions</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):I would change to "that are recognized under international principles of law."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:Julie, I'm not on audio, but could you please include in the notes my objection to moving principle g out of principles? Thanks.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Agree with Steve C. re phrasing.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Craig - fTLD Registry:Well we know that didn;'t happen.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jon Nevett:Craig +307</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Hedlund:@ Steve Coates: I've captured that text.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Hedlund:@Robin Gross: I've noted your objection.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:Appreciate it, Julie!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:What is principle of law?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I think we should allow for fexability </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):+1 to Jeff, we should consider implications to "rolling procedures"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:What general guidance do we have from the policy x implementation WG ? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:Colleagues, let us retain Principle as thezy are and not start such conversion </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):Agree with Greg. Recommendation 1 should not be negotiatiable. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robert Burlingame (Pillsbury):I agree that "should" would be better than "must" in the Recommendations.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:It is ok that a recommendation include the word "must." "Recommendation" means Policy Recommendations that were later approved by the ICANN Board</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:The 19 points under "recommendations" are the heart of the New gTLD Policy</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):Just a reminder to mute your line. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Chan:@Steve Coates, it is noted in the Final Issue Report that the impact of switching to a "rolling procedure" should be well understood</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Once "recommendations" are adopted, they're no longer recommendations; they're policy.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):Thx @Steve Chan</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Karen:I was just kicked out of the call. Any reason why?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:And the way they are framed in the appendix A (GNSO Policy) are "recommendations". </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robert Burlingame (Pillsbury):So once Board-approved, perhaps "Mandates" instead of "Recommendations"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:to the bylaws, that is.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Karen, were you logged in under your own name before? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Fair point(s) Greg</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:There are reserved words that would not create technical instability, like .EXAMPLE. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Richard Padilla:Sorry for being late I'm here hi everyone</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:I just got dropped/</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:<a href="https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt">https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:Definition of Must, Shall etc that has been adopted by ICANN</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Definition of must: (mŭst)n." The unfermented or fermenting juice expressed from fruit, especially grapes."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Richard Padilla:Can someone dvise what exactly what is meant by strings should that be fully defined </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Richard Padilla:sorry I'm meant should the term strings be fully defined sorry about my english lol</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):Yes to "what is a reserved name." </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:A string is the set of characters that make up a domain.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:@ Richard: I agree. We should get rid of terms like "string" that are not commonly understood</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Kurt, next you'll suggest we get rid of acronyms!!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Richard Padilla:@greg thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Richard Padilla:@Kurt yes when I hear strings I start think of programming it is such a loose used term in computing</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jon Nevett:Jeff, Isn't that on the second level?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:During application a string is not yet a TLD, so it could be either "string" or "proposed TLD". </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Ayden Ferdeline:re: recommendation 2, does this only apply to strings in the same language?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Craig - fTLD Registry:ICANN fail - allowing plaurals.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):At least "confusingly similar' is generally recognized as a concept in trademark law, which is largely consistent internationally.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:@Ayden, this has been decided differently by objection panels. Some included language as criteria, some considered the overall meaning. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):Agree with Kavouss, let's tie that defintion to "Reserved" with a capital R, in its various forms.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Ayden Ferdeline:thanks @rubens</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:@Kavouss +1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:I'm agreeing with the definitional notion!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:I think that some reserved names would only require exact match blocking, not similarity blocking. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Carlton Samuels:I have to drop off now. School Bord meeting</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):The former is TM/IP based, the latter are not.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:so free expression concerns was left out of implementation of Rec 3 (which only focused on TM)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marc Trachtenberg:"Existing legal rights of others that are recognized or enforceable under generally accepted and internationally recognized principles of law" should go beyond tademark. The existing language
argiably does, but in practice did not.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:.home, .corp and .mail</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:Julie, I'm not on audio, but can you please include my point above above about Rec 3 in the notes? Thanks!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Harold Arcos:+1 Greg, Richard. Regarding on definition of terms. Point G and Recomm 1.- are joint and are key for many groups who works in HHRR for their countrys. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:@ Greg - that is why I referred to the Terms of Reference at the ouset; each of the recommendations point to one of the terms of reference, not the principles</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Hedlund:@Robin: Done!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:Thanks, again!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:Robin, I think the Limited Public Interest Objection ended up carrying the active part of rec. 3. But it's debatable indeed. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):Yes to that. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Richard Padilla:@Harold Thanks for that</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):Agree on the language of "purpose" tied to "technical." </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:Could be IDN Language support, could be registration volume... </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:Currently, they demonstrante passing a pre-delegation test. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:ICANN site describing PDT: <a href="https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/pdt">https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/pdt</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Martin Sutton BRG:Agree with Rubens - it's the PDT</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Frederic Guillemaut SafebRands:when applying, you had to explain your technical choices. And clarification questions were asked on that matter suring the evaluation process. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:On Rec.8, the process ended up only looking at financials with the angle of a commercial registry, while brand registries and community registries could be financed very differently than thru registration
revenues. We might choose to let financial be only a due diligence requirement for contract signing but not an application evaluation criteria. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Frederic Guillemaut SafebRands:for some customers it was already too much to show</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:YES</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rudi Vansnick:indirect financial information is normally found in the business plan the applicant has to present</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Frederic Guillemaut SafebRands:yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rudi Vansnick:based on the business plan the financial capabilities are influencial depending on when the application is put into the root$</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:I think we moved more to be able handle financial and technical issues with registry transition mechanisms. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:We must do better on Rec. 9 in the future. Too much was changed after the fact and it wasn't fair.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Westerdal:Financial information has not led to any failed registry so far?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rudi Vansnick:@Robin: +1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:The only sure way to fail financial evaluation was to refuse to provide financial statements. Other than that, no. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yup</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Westerdal:New companies formed just to be Registries have no books to exam</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rudi Vansnick:@Jay: the applicant provides a business plan based on information at the moment of drafting the application, should an applicant forecast the fatc ICANN rolls out years after the application is entered
?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:BTW, ICANN made all applicants financial projections to fail by requering a new registrar accreditation in order to sell new gTLDs, so every projection contained in the applications were broken... </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:" using" is really a bad word in this context .</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:TO WHOM nO. 9 IS ADDRESSED?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agree Vanda</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:to ICANN I beleive</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:aRE WE ASKING icann TO DO THAT PUBLICATION USING....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:perfect twhat you said jeff</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:@kavouss "using is really bad word as some of us agreed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rudi Vansnick:normally tha applicant guidebook should contain process </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Please mute if you are not speaking, and especially if you are typing....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:"non-discriminatory" would be a nice addition to rec. 9. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:+ 1 Rubens</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rudi Vansnick:"non-discriminatory" -> define the criteria too </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Harold Arcos:+1 Rubens</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:Or, could be a "should" instead of a "must"... </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:YES</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):Jeff - 4 miniute warning.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Chan:@Jeff, as Julie typed in the notes, you missed Recc 10</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:GAC objections impact Rec. 12 - not understanding what a govt might object to </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Westerdal:100% agree.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:Sure it was....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:This was violated. No other way to state what happened. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):10 could use some improvement, especially with additional clasuses, and application of new clauses in existing contracts and renewals.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jay Westerdal:Sounds illegal to change a contract afterwards</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:each contract shall be available for different alernatives now that we know how different aspects of newTLDs can come out from applications</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rudi Vansnick:have there been lawsuits due to the failing base contract </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):We do need to 'fix' this matter</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kavouss Arasteh:nEXT CALL</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thank everyone.. Good progress Talk again next week then Bye for now</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Hedlund:Next call is Monday, 11 April at 1400 UTC</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Hedlund:1600!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Hedlund:Sorry!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):BYE</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Hedlund:Yes!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Chan:1600 UTC :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Martin Sutton BRG:Thanksall</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:Thanks, Jeff and all!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robert Burlingame (Pillsbury):Thank you all.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christopher Niemi:THanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Hedlund:Thanks everyone!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rudi Vansnick:bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Yoshi Murakami(JPRS):thank you</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Ayden Ferdeline:thank you all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Richard Padilla:Later</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Frederic Guillemaut SafebRands:bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rubens Kuhl:Thanks Jeff, Steve, staff and all!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:thank all </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Thanks all!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vanda Scartezini:specially julie....and all stafff</div>
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