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<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures WG call on Monday, 09 May 2016 at 16;00 UTC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Hi Tom, Great time of day for us in AU ;-) </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):and he dropped off..</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):We are working on it Cheryl!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I HAVE NO PROBLEM SHARING THE PAIN>>> </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:Long delay in getting on bridge</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Richard Padilla:Hello All</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Cheryl, nowhere else I'd rather be.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:I got in the bridge almost immediately....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:hi I don't have sound - is it me?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):Steve Coates....are we ready?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:ah, thanks!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):argh sorry CAPS</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):Can you hear, Susan?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:hi all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Martin Sutton:Hi everyone, sorry for my late arrival.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:@Steve - yes, now I can hear thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:i am in a noise room, so I am mute. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/A0WAAw">https://community.icann.org/x/A0WAAw</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:would like to get it out by the end of the week.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:We have one for the CCT</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):What deadline would be envisaged for the SOs/ACs to respond?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):My apologies, you are correct Avri. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:Agree with Susan about the need to understand the level of consensus of GAC "advice"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):The GAC resppnse will make clear the status of the advice referred to.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Alan Greenberg:Lost all sound. Just me?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Guillemaut Frederic (SafeBrands):i lost audio </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:I have too</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Hedlund:I lost sound too.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON:same here</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:I lost sound as well.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christa Taylor:Very light in the sound</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Hedlund:Steve Coates is very faint.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christa Taylor:better</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marc Trachtenberg:Now its intermittent</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:sound going in and out</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Steve: You're breaking up.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:sound is going and come back</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Better now.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christa Taylor:yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christopher Niemi:Yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Julie Hedlund:Loud and clear Steve.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Gangesh Varma:much better now</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Chan:@Susan, noted. I can prepare a draft unless you've like to provide updated text.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christa Taylor:good in the volume </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Richard Padilla:Loud enough thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:13 UTC looks ok </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON:dito</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:35 days sounds good, but the sooner the better</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Chan:@Avri, that's actually driven by the PDP manual</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:yes. 25 will be too close to Helsinki. would be good to have it early.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:i beleive we need to have a stronger engagement from regions like LAC for instance.. I have done first round a huge effort but still llack of knowledge about new gTLDs in this region. depspite all
efforts from all groups here.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):@vanda - are you referring to more outreach to LAC region, input from the LAC regision, or both?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul McGrady:I'm always amazed by Avri's mastery of all of this ICANN procedure. Thanks Avri!! Very helpful.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:I agree these issues need to be decided by the community and not the board-staff.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Harold Arcos:my apologies for late connection</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Wouldn't the standard be something that was within the scope of this PDP, but not addressed? That is my understanding of something that would warrant an expedited PDP.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Harold Arcos:@Vanda +1 </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Expedited PDPs cannot be used to revisit issues that were already settled.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):or to invent theoretical, but not necessarily real issues</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Gangesh Varma:I'm not sure if this is the right point of time to raise this, but when do we flag potential human rights concerns?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:Ganesh are you suggesting that HR should be one of the overarching issues?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:Amr, I beleive it can also be used with there is substantive new information on a previously scoped aand discussed issue.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):I know HR is referenced with some of the specific issues (when we get into tracks), but how would it apply as an overarching issue?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Gangesh Varma:no Avril, I was thinking hr implications in particular issues we are looking at . forexampl e related to sensitive strings restrictions on freedom of expression etc. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:and a GGP can be used for clarifying policy that was not cear enough - explanation not new policy</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Avri: Yes..., exactly. But Jeff does raise an interesting point on what may be "theoretical issues". I suspect it would be up to a Council vote on whether or not to launch an EPDP.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Gangesh Varma:Avri* sorry about the typo</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:While one can form an opinion on this issue without data, this discussion should have been prefaced by a brief illustration of statistics: how many applied for how many?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:no worries - i am the queen of typos</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Phil Buckingham:Rightside ???? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:Ganesh, in that case I think it would come in during the specific these discussion that we will ask about in CC2, a project for after Helsinki</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI: I beleive this is a client's decision - </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:I must say, I do not rember the discussion of limits or the numbers of application _evver_ being an item of discussion in the policy of 2007</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:no limit in my opinion</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:in a noise environment . just able to write</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:I agree, Avri, that was never an issue.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:If we put a limit, one can create several applicants and get around the limits.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:any limit seems to be anti-competitive</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:Right - easy to create a "new" and "different" legal entity.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:the application fee may have an impact on numbers</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Danny Glix:demonstrated usage of gtld within specified timeframe (more than landing page)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christa Taylor:Pro: Reduces the risk of gaming applications</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christa Taylor:Con: Reduces competition</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:In fact it was rumored that limits was one of the ingredient causes of a 6 figure application fee.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christa Taylor:Con: Always a way around it and reduces transparency on applicants</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:i am against limit client applicications </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:I'm concerned that limits in the number of applications, or time to apply may favour those who are closely following the process, as opposed to others who may require outreach.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:Yes, Amr. I don't think limits are a good idea.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:for me no limit to application</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:so a pro, where it possible, might be that limits might keep the application fee down.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Also..., I wonder if setting any sort of limits will affect how and when applicant support is implemented, assuming any form of applicant support is actually implemented.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):I see fees as being a more complicated issue, where higher fees creates separate benefits and drawbacks. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christa Taylor:Con: Could stifle competition, which is an AoC principle</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Laura Hutchison:+1 Samantha on limits adding complexity and uncertainty to the process</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON:Limits can easily be gamed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:I think I was confused on what was being suggested as limiting the number. Are talking about limiting the number of applications per applicant, or the total number of applications?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:Hi Guys Got late. :-(</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Avri Doria:the same caveat about just through out ideas applies to the things i threw out in the chat just as issues we may want to ask about in CC1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Martin Sutton:If the application fee is reduced (which is likely based on the surplus derived from the latest round), then multiple applications are more likely from a single applicant</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Jeff -- understood you were just putting that out for discussion, but thanks for clarifying. Nothing should be beyond discussion....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Jeff: Fair enough Thanks. :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:@We all know the top 5 or so. We should look at the long tail too. How many appliecd for one, two, or three. What were the auction results, who were the general victor? The we could actually confirm that
the round did encourage wider involvement in the DNS and the application process followed economic rules that operate in free markets. These would be good results that would support an opne, unlimited round. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Agree with Kurt. Should not the starting point for any policy discussion be whether specific problems have been identified from the data for the current round with regard to who applied
for how many? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Phil Buckingham:It is much more cost effective to apply for multiple applications </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:agree with PHIL here</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:susan arguments looks great</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:I don't think there should be a "Penalty" for applying for multiple applicants.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Donna Austin, Neustar:Not sure I agree with Susan, I think there were some significant events that slowed things down: pural v single and name collision</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:applications, rather</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI: time I beleive for application </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:but to be clear, I do see the cons to limits, and I do thinkif the expectations were different at the outset then the outcome could have been different</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:will limit normally</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Laura Hutchison:Agreed To - what problem are we trying to fix? IIs there a problem?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Laura Hutchison:sorry - that was meant to say "ageeed Tom"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:If rounds were held frequently, the volume problem would be reduced.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:@Donna - I agree with you - I didn't say it was the only delaying factor but I do think it was a significant factor</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):good point Alan</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christa Taylor:~$20k per app</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON:Agree with Alan</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christa Taylor:In reality: Multiple apps is economies of scale, are further supported by the fact that biggest volume and successful TLDs (generally) are portfolio applicants</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:@Susan: You raised a valid concern. I don't know if the number of applications contributed to delays, but one way or another, there should be some sort of predictable deadline for gTLDs to go live. Not
sure if limiting the number of applications is the solution though.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jim Prendergast:$100k for eval, $25k for progam development and $60k for legal fund</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Coates (Twitter):From 2013: ICANN has provided the components and associated costs relating to the $185,000 application fee as follows: Development costs of $26,950. A recovery of costs associated with
the launch of the gTLD application program. Application processing costs – Fixed of $24,800 relating to set-up, integration and one-time communication costs. Application processing costs – Variable of $73,000 for labour in relation to evaluating each
application. Risk costs of $60,000 for unanticipated costs and variances between estimates and actual costs.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> vanda SCARTEZINI:last round time was the limit. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Phil Buckingham:Thought 185K fee was based on 500 original budget ( back in 2010) as full cost recovery . </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christa Taylor:How about some method to try and reduce or implement a ceiling on the number of applicantions an applicant can have in contention to reduce gaming in the next round?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Chan:@Jeff, the DG noted that reducing the number of applications from applicants could conceivably reduce demand for a scarce resource</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Danny Glix: It seems like a handfull of large companies owning most of the gtlds, isn't that diversified, the efect of this is that niche specialists that better match
the gtld string end up getting upsold. Limits create lots o problems, but we can still aim for some type of policy where you state usage, get it approved, and demonstrate said usage in order to maintain the string.</span> </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;">Phil Buckingham:+ 1 Christa </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Amr Elsadr:Cool. Thanks all. Bye.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Guillemaut Frederic (SafeBrands):thank you</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cecilia Smith:ha!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Christa Taylor:woo hoo! thx!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:wow - thanks, bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON:Thanks all!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Martin Sutton:thx</div>
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