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<b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday</span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">, 19 September 2016</span></u></b></p>
<div>Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures WG call on Monday, 19 September 2016 at 15:00 UTC.</div>
<div> Michelle DeSmyter:Wiki Member page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/Ogp1Aw">https://community.icann.org/x/Ogp1Aw</a></div>
<div> Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/Px6sAw">https://community.icann.org/x/Px6sAw</a></div>
<div> Avri Doria:can we get audio support in the AC please.</div>
<div> Michelle DeSmyter:try now</div>
<div> Avri Doria:thanks</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I was using 'holding our breath" in terms of the "anticipation' Avri, *not* suggesting any sort of delay... Perhaps Aussies use the term differently </div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:No objection.</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):all good</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):You csn do ST4 update Rubens</div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:Will do, hope my computer audio is clear enough. </div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh:pLS KINDLY DIAL ME UP</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh:Avri</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh:Pls advise to dial me up</div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:I tried to speak but it cleary didn't make it. </div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh:I have asked to be dialed up</div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:Yes, everything covered. </div>
<div> Michelle DeSmyter:yes</div>
<div> Michelle DeSmyter:operator is dialing now</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):GREAT your turn next time then ;-)</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh:Is it a decision made by someone that I should be excluded from the meeting</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh:Who dared to make such a decison</div>
<div> Phil Buckingham:Avri - you are very very quiet </div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh:Vri </div>
<div> Phil Buckingham:thanks Avri - much better </div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh:pls kindly advise to dial me up</div>
<div> Avri Doria:we have advised and the attempt is being made.</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh:Avri pèlease register my strong complaint and serious objection that I am excluded to participater at this meeting</div>
<div> Avri Doria:I will register it, but I also note that staff is trying to connect you to the meeting</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:But you are online, right? Just plug in a headset and you re fine!</div>
<div> Avri Doria:and i reiterate what Jeff said, no one is trying to exclude you.</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:Use a mobiole phone for example!</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:If you have a good enough Internet connction, of course ....</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):Just to recall GAC input on related questions: "The starting point for development of policy on further releases of new gTLDs should first take into consideration the results of all relevant reviews of the new gTLD round
and determine which aspects and elements need adjustment."</div>
<div> Avri Doria:Staff, please add a note to minutes both of Kavouss Arasteh issue and on the repsonse made by Jeff and me;</div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:Kavouss, in my non-US experience one of the easier ways to join ICANN meetings audio is to dial the US toll-free number from Google Voice or Skype. </div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):And (also from our Helsinki decisions): "All measures available to the Board should be used to ensure that a comprehensive and measured approach to further releases of new gTLDs is taken in a logical, sequential and coordinated
way rather than through parallel and overlapping efforts and/or timeframes that may not be agreed by all relevant interests."</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:Dear All</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:Pls kindly dial me up</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:Rubens: If the INternet connection is good enough for Skype - then why not simply using the Adobe audio?</div>
<div> Steve Chan:@Avri, we'll get the note in - we can't type at the same time</div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:Alexander, Adobe audio just failed for me, so I'm not the one who will be advocating for that... ;-)</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:Hmmmm. Maybe wrong Audio Settings?</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):did you want a dial out Rubens?</div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:CLO: I should have wanted it before. Now it's too late. ;-)</div>
<div> Julie Hedlund:@Kavouss: Your objection has been included at the top of the notes.</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I AM SURPRISED HOW THIS HAS HAPPENED</div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:Kavouss, if you are not hearing, you will notice in the recordings that your issue was not ignored. </div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:I think Jorge is causing the echo... </div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):sorry if I did</div>
<div> Julie Hedlund:@Avri andJeff: The operator has successfully reached Kavouss.</div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:Avri and Alan: would NCSG and ALAC be amenable to completing policy but having the implementation done in parallel ? </div>
<div> Robin Gross:The politices are too much intertwined and interdependent to be dividing the issues into now and later baskets.</div>
<div> Alan Greenberg:I cannot speak to an ALAC position on this without consulting. However how could one do the </div>
<div> Alan Greenberg:implementation</div>
<div> Alan Greenberg:Sorry. willl repeat</div>
<div> Alan Greenberg:I cannot speak to the ALAC position on this without consulting but I would need to understand how the "implementation" which last time meant writing the AG, could be done in parallel with the opening of a round (which presumes the AG is
complete.</div>
<div> Alan Greenberg:@Robin, I was not proposing splitting, just saying that it was the only way I could parse the letter.</div>
<div> Robin Gross:Alan, I didn't think you were proposing it, but it does seem to be something we are discussing.</div>
<div> Alan Greenberg:agreed</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):not in favour of 'splitting'</div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:Jeff spoke 'round'. Many times. Many dollars for charity. </div>
<div> Phil Buckingham:Rubens, I agree. Ideally we need to do policy issues and implementation issues in parallel, but unfrtunately there are too many overlapping issues </div>
<div> Avri Doria:As I see that Kavouss is now the particpant of record, is it possible to lower the original Kavouss hand from the queue?</div>
<div> Paul McGrady:@Jeff, isn't that a better question for the RPM WG?</div>
<div> Avri Doria:Kavouss 2 will be the next speakr. Can other who have spoken lower their hands?</div>
<div> Paul McGrady:@Jeff, is next Round expectancy in the 2007 principals or just in the Applicant Guidebook (which is a very robust implementation document)?</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):tend to agree Paul</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):re RPM </div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:All are completed - just 19 strings in the air.</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:The 2020 round was announced for 2013/2014. So b 2020 is is alrady 6 to 7 years delayed.</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:Alan+1</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:We can not have paralel process</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agree Alan re UDRP</div>
<div> Tom Dale:Some of the current review activity is not solely within the GNSO community, for example the CCT review, ongoing ICANN work on metrics etc.</div>
<div> Jeff Neuman:Jorge - Is that a new hand? I assumed it was not, but if it is, let me know</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):sorry... :S</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we qre being asked to repond to GNSO not the Board though Kavous</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:I am sorry, I meant Council NOT Board</div>
<div> Paul McGrady:@Jeff@Avri, I can make that request on th Council list as Liaison to this group if more time is needed.</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:Yes I am sorry,</div>
<div> Julie Hedlund:@Kavouss: I have corrected that in the notes.</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:I meant COUNCIL and NOT Board</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):As to the response to the Council: perhaps a factual summary on where we are as a group could help them in ascertaining the "ripeness" of fast-tracking or not certain issues for the present time</div>
<div> Phil Buckingham:Agree Paul .Should we take the FInal AGB Jan 2012 add in changes since , so we have a revised AGB as of now . Those changes need to classified into policy or implementation ?? </div>
<div> Julie Hedlund:@Kavouss: The notes state "Council" now. Thank you.</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):instead of asking and taking the floor, could you take up this suggestion in the notes?: "jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland): As to the response to the Council: perhaps a factual summary on where we are as a group could help
them in ascertaining the "ripeness" of fast-tracking or not certain issues for the present time"</div>
<div> Paul McGrady:@Phil, perhaps or perhaps some of the changes which depart from the Paris Policy Principles should be affirmatively rejected by the community, rather than legitimized by baking them into the next revised AGB.</div>
<div> Julie Hedlund:@Jorge: I will include your text in the notes.</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):@Julie: thanks!</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):well said Greg</div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:I think split defines it well... </div>
<div> Paul McGrady:@Avri said what I was going to say on process of reporting back to Council. I'm happy to pass along the non-consensus on splitting or just providing commentary on a note that the Co-chair send.</div>
<div> Steve Chan:On process, if it was determined that the WG wants to split it's work, that would require a modification of the charter via the GNSO Council.</div>
<div> Steve Chan:Otherwise, the WG is expected to consider all elements in the charter.</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):sounds right to me Paul</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):fine Jeff</div>
<div> Paul McGrady:1. No consensus on splitting work; 2. Committed to our workplan; and 3. Prepared to further discuss this in Hyderabad.</div>
<div> Jeff Neuman:@Paul - yes, I think that is the crux of it</div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:"Splitted on splitting"</div>
<div> Paul McGrady:Thanks Avri. I'll look for the note from the 2 of you.</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):In Hyderabad we should take care to involve all the community in the discussion... this looks very much like a high interest topic, right?</div>
<div> Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:wE HEAR YOU jEFF</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I guess so Jorge</div>
<div> Emily Barabas:Subject 2 begins on page 4. Everyone should have scroll control.</div>
<div> Emily Barabas:Click the "+" sign to zoom in</div>
<div> Emily Barabas:(at the bottom of the screen)</div>
<div> Steve Chan:In the Agenda pod, you can find links to the documents to view on your own computer.</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):Kavouss: the GAC included this GAC 2010 text in its reply to the "overarching questions" - and stated that these issues remain relevant to future new gTLD processes</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I guess Alan we should note ere that also comming out of discussions in 2010 with GAC ALAC also tended (If memory serves) to support Catagories and efficient / effective use therof</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):A new ALAC inout would certainly be helpful :-)</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):input</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Understood Jorge and of course it is 6 years ago and substantially a new ALAC now</div>
<div> Alan Greenberg:We STRONGLY supported categories.</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):hence, the use of such new input - that's also why we discussed and agreed in the GAC that we should recall the 2010 advice as we still considered it useful</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yup</div>
<div> Avri Doria:the process in the last round cae too late and still cost applicants a bunch.</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):agree that we still have work to be done for fostering the regional/geographic diversity of registries</div>
<div> Vaibhav Aggarwal:I agree</div>
<div> Paul McGrady:+1 Greg. IPC wasn't trying to say that auction proceeds are the proper subject of this team, nor was IPC trying to say that it thinks auctions, necessarily, have to be a feature of Round 2. We were just trying to be inclusive and thorough
in our response.</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Sure did Avri very dissapointing indeed</div>
<div> Phil Buckingham:Do nt we should any auction proceeds or process in Round 2 . @ Greg , I agreed with this approach . </div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:Had to drop now. </div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Just got disconnected</div>
<div> Rubens Kuhl:Will catch up with recording... bye all. </div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Bye Rubens</div>
<div> Phil Buckingham:sorry - dont think we should have any auction proceeds or process in a Round 2 . </div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Back in Audio thanks</div>
<div> Phil Buckingham:Thanks Alan for update </div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:Request to secretariat,</div>
<div> Paul McGrady:@Alan, will that Charter go to GNSO Council next or is this Board driven?</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:Pls remove my statement referring that I might have been excluded intentionally.</div>
<div> Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):mute please. </div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:I wish that statement de deleted from the note</div>
<div> Greg Shatan:Perhaps we should replace auctions with pistols at 20 paces. Very "Hamilton."</div>
<div> Vaibhav Aggarwal::-)</div>
<div> Julie Hedlund:@Kavouss: Could you clarify what you would like deleted? Staff will be happy to do so.</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Indeed Avri Headphines delliver the noise *very effectivly*!</div>
<div> Alan Greenberg:@Paul, like with other CCWGs, it will go to the AC/SOs for first comments and then after any needed changes for ratification. Once ratified the CCWG will be formed. There has been extensive Board involement in the charter creation process
and we wil have confirmation that they agree to the terms of the charter and the following CCWG, but they do not have formal Board approval rights.</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:tHE PART THAT i SAID,2 i MIGHT HAVE BEEN INTENTIONALLY OR WILLINGLY EXCLUDED TO ATTEND "</div>
<div> Julie Hedlund:@Kavouss: Many thanks for the clarification. Staff will delete it forthwith.</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):I would like to add that according to the GAC 2010 advice reiterated now, categories are seen as a means to simplify the application process. Hence please consider redrafting the conclusion refered to the GAC as follows:
"No consensus on additional categories, but GAC in favor AS IT CONSIDERS IT helps TO simplIFy. Registries are split..." </div>
<div> Julie Hedlund:@Jorge: Staff will make that change.</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):WT4 has that outreac to ACSO's etc., as part of its work plan Yes Avri</div>
<div> Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):@Julie:Can you please help me understand staff's position on deleting from the record statements that were made during the meeting? It's my understand that the record of a meeting is to be accurate and complete, which
means that it should include all statements made. (My question is general and for my understanding.)</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):thanks Julie for taking up my comment</div>
<div> Alan Greenberg:Not Monday...</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):And f curse te MP3/recording and any transcripts are "as writ"</div>
<div> Julie Hedlund:@Kristina: Staff was responding to the request, but has no formal position and in fact these are just informal notes. The transcript and recording are not altered.</div>
<div> Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):@Julie: OK, thanks.</div>
<div> Julie Hedlund:Staff would seek guidance from Avri and Jeff whether staff should strike the objection from the informal notes.</div>
<div> Alan Greenberg:Nov 3.- Thurs.</div>
<div> Paul McGrady:@Staff, it would be super-helpful to have calendar invites for the in-person in Hyderabad, just so that we don't mess up the complex timezones</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):+1 Paul</div>
<div> Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):+1 to Paul's request, please.</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Agree Paul</div>
<div> Kavouss Arasteh 2:tKS aVRI</div>
<div> Greg Shatan:Monday falls on Thursday this time.</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):doubt many of us have Avri</div>
<div> Vaibhav Aggarwal:yes that's a good idea</div>
<div> Steve Chan:@Paul, others, I think I've asked about this before and was told that that staff does not do this, but I will doublecheck</div>
<div> Paul McGrady:Thanks Steve. It would be very helpful if you could.</div>
<div> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):All Good Thx Bye for now</div>
<div> Alexander Schubert:tnx</div>
<div> Robin Gross:Thanks, bye.</div>
<div> jorge cancio (GAC Switzerland):thanks, bye</div>
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