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I think you are making too many presumptions including any potential dilution of barriers of entry. Let's use the facts of the 2012 round to improve the policies and processes. </div>
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<p class="">One argument against different categories might be accessability of the new gTLDs for applicants. If we reduce requirements for some applicants, why not for all? Will the applicants that benefit from lesser requirements be in a better position to
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<p class="">As an example, say a multi-million company that owns a brand that also is a generic term that a small public benefit initiative is also applying for, on top of the economic advantage that the one applicant has over the other we are now also saying
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">100% agree<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I never understood why the concept of categories was rejected. Saying it’s “hard” does not mean it’s “impossible” or that it shouldn’t be explored.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">After the lack of categories we (the community) had to then deal with a complicated patchwork of exemptions and other funky manipulations to get around the quite meaningless limitations
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">For example, this weekend in Madrid ICANN shared some stats about SLA breaches from new TLD registries. Some people would argue that a “.brand” should not have to meet the same SLA targets
as a “.generic”. While I can understand the logic of that argument the current lack of categories does not allow for that kind of differentiation.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on
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<b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday 15 May 2017 at 15:25<br class="">
<b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jeff Neuman<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><jeff.neuman@comlaude.com></a><br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at 15:00 UTC<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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I have difficulties reconciling the notion of ignoring categories, as it caused no end of problems after applications were submitted and created unnecessary delays. Where there are well-defined categories and a proven demand, categories can be created and processes
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In reading the agenda for today’s meeting, I read the spreadsheet describing the different TLD types. (See, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mA_hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJffzJAAhEvNlA/edit#gid=1186181551" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mA_hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJffzJAAhEvNlA/edit#gid=1186181551</span></a>).<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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It looks remarkably similar to a chart presented to the ICANN Board in 2010 or 2011 as the main argument for<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">not<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></i>adding to the categories of TLDs in the last
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Even in this spreadsheet, I can argue whether most of the tick marks in the cells apply in all cases. This means that each of the many tick marks presents a significant barrier to: (1) getting through the policy discussion in a timely manner, and (2) a clean
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In the last round, the Guidebook provided for two category types: community and geographic. In my opinion, the implementation of both was problematic: look at the variances in CPE results and the difficulty with .AFRICA. This wasn’t just a process failure,
the task itself was extremely difficult. Just how does an evaluation panel adjudge a government approval of a TLD application if one ministry says, ‘yes’ and the other ’no’? This sort of issue is simple compared to evaluating community applications. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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The introduction of a number of new gTLD categories with a number of different accommodations will lead to a complex and difficult application and evaluation process (and an expensive, complicated contractual compliance environment). It is inevitable that the
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Instead, the outcome of our policy discussion could be a process that remains flexible and can adapt to new business models as they are developed. An exemption process to certain contractual conditions can be created to encourage innovation while ensuring all
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While an exemption process sounds complex, it is not compared to the nightmare that the new gTLD process will become: never adequately administering to an ever-increasing number of categories.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Apologies for the late delivery. Below, please find the proposed agenda for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures WG meeting scheduled for Monday, 15 May 2017 at 15:00 UTC for 90 minutes.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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