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<p>So basically rolling windows instead of FCFS? When one window
closes the next one immediately opens, or will open after a
cool-off period?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 17.05.2017 um 07:28 schrieb Greg
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TLDs should not be sold on a true FCFS basis -- TLDs are
simply too valuable and unique. We don't need to have
"rounds" in order to have all of the various protections
(RPMs, Objections, GAC advice, etc.) remain -- we simply need
to hold each application for evaluation and for the creation
of contention sets if others want to join in and apply for the
string. In essence, each string becomes a "round" --
disaggregated from every other application but going through
the same process as applications currently do. This
eliminates the pent up demand problem, without succumbing to a
"wild west" approach to TLDs.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Jeff
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">To
clarify, and I think this is consistent with some
other proposals as well:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">1.
ICANN conducts a “round 2” which deals with the pent
up demand. We would have to work out contention
resolution rules and whether priority is offered to
any category, etc.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">2.
After some up-front stated time period (which we
would need to provide advice on). ICANN opens up
permanents to receive TLD applications and
processes/evaluates and awards TLDs on a First-come,
First-served basis. However, to ease the tracking
problem that would come if applications were posted
every day, ICANN would commit to posting all of its
proposals Quarterly (for example) so that anyone
that wanted to file objections, public comments,
etc. would have to only check 4X per year (as an
example). This would eliminate all contention
resolution, unless of course the application is
unsuccessful (in which case someone will develop a
wait list service for TLDs ;)).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Other
than that last part, do I have that right? If so,
it presents an interesting combination of a few
proposals we have on the table and a new option for
the group to consider.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rob Hall<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Alan Greenberg <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed
Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working
Group, 15 May 2017 at 15:00 UTC</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">OK
.. didn’t mean to step on anyones toes that was not
part of this current string.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
don’t think anyone on this string has advocated FCFS
as an initial solution. I wanted to be clear that
FCFS only was NOT what I was suggesting or
advocating for.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
more I think about it, the more I actually think
that if we were to concentrate on what a FCFS world
would look like (post contention round) that a lot
of the policy would become much simpler and more
clear. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As
an example, would we need categories ?
</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Perhaps
for what was in or out of the contract. Ie: It
becomes just a means of a checkbox as to which one
you are so we know what contract terms apply.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">But
for priority ? Can’t see why a category would be
needed at all in a FCFS world.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So
then the question becomes are they really relevant
during what I will call the “Contention landrush
period”, or perhaps “Contention Sunrise”. Because
that seems to be where most of the debate is
focused.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rob</span></p>
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Greenberg <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:27 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Rob Hall <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rob@momentous.com" target="_blank">rob@momentous.com</a>>,
"Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <<a
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed
Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working
Group, 15 May 2017 at 15:00 UTC</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Rob,
YOU may not be advocating FCFS to start with, but this
WG has been going on for 15 months and that HAS been
advocated. So much so that we are not allowed to refer
to however/whenever there will be a further release of
GTLDs as a "round".<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
At 16/05/2017 10:03 PM, Rob Hall wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anne,<br>
<br>
To be clear, no one is advocating FCFS to start
off. It is only being suggested AFTER the next
round ends. So that after we have dealt any pent up
demand, we move to a rolling registration of FCFS.<br>
<br>
I think the objection I hear most is how can it be
monitored. The reality is that it takes so many
months for ICANN to move through the process that I
don’t believe it will really be an issue.<br>
<br>
However, we could just have ICANN issue the list of
applications once a month, or once a quarter even,
to make it easier to track.
<br>
<br>
When they announce is not related to when the
application is received and the priority it gets in
a FCFS – after thee round- model.<br>
<br>
Rob<br>
<br>
<b>From: </b>"Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <<a
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href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 6:08 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>'Christa Taylor' <<a
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href="mailto:christa@dottba.com" target="_blank">christa@dottba.com</a>>,
'Volker Greimann' <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
Rob Hall <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject: </b>RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed
Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working
Group, 15 May 2017 at 15:00 UTC<br>
<br>
What about a hybrid approach? FCFS is a terrible
idea when no application has been permitted for over
5 years. There is “pent-up†demand. It is also
a terrible idea in terms of ICANN staff resources.
Personally (and obviously not a view of the IPC), I
would see it this way:<br>
<br>
1. We know GAC will advise Community Priority
Round based on EC Report and Copenhagen Communique.
It would take 60% of the Board to reject that public
policy advice and 2/3 of the Board to reject GNSO
Council Advice to the contrary. Will the Board act
in this situation or just tell GAC and GNSO to
“work it out†? Why not “cut to the chaseâ€
and work it out with the GAC now ? All Objection
processes should apply. PICs have to be made in
connection with Community applications and they
can’t be revoked or it voids the registry
agreement. It’s up to Track 3 to develop more
policy on Community applications but watch out that
we don’t trample on certain rights by stating that
a Community application has to meet a “social
good†requirement. “Community†is also about
freedom of association, or in this case, freedom of
“virtual association†.<br>
<br>
(Please note GAC may even include IGOs and
Governmental Organization applications in its public
policy Advice for priority rounds. No idea what
applies as to IGOs and GOs in terms of definition
and PICs. Could an LRO be successful against a
Governmental Organization application for a geo
name? Is there any way to work this out now? ICANN
has got to get way more efficient in resolving
policy differences before they get to the Board.
And would this free up the process for geo name
applications if no application is made by a
Governmental Organization during this window?
Could there be an “estoppel†factor if geo name
not covered by old version of AGB?)<br>
<br>
2. Applications from Brands – Yes, I favor a
windoow for brands. Why? Because it’s all easier
under Spec 13 and I want the investment that brands
have made in the marketing of brand names that
correspond with potential TLD strings to pay off.
(Yes, I am a trademark lawyer.) Objection
procedures still apply – e.g. string confusion,
community objection, legal rigghts, limited public
interest, etc. Applications for same brand
passing initial evaluation process would go into
string contention. After the contract award, a
brand may only transfer to a third party acquiring
all or substantially all its stock or assets, the
trademark, and the good will associated with the
brand, and assuming all obligations of the registry,
including PICs if any.<br>
<br>
3. Open Window of Six Months – ICANN takes all
ccomers and applications compete. String contention
and all objection procedures apply.<br>
<br>
4. Six months after # 3 – FFCFS - No window –
all types of applications welcome - FFirst Come,
First Served, (no window but we need a public notice
process as to strings applied for to trigger notice
for objections).
<br>
<br>
Anne<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Christa Taylor<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:07 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed
Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working
Group, 15 May 2017 at 15:00 UTC<br>
<br>
Lots of different perspectives so thought I’d add
another.<br>
<br>
Appears as though categories, priorities, etc.
creates concerns around gaming the system. Perhaps
trying to deal with the elephant in the room would
be the more direct approach. How do we prevent
gaming? For instance, what if there was no private
auction process or if the registry could potentially
lose ownership of the TLD if it changed its
operations to a different purpose than applied for
or the TLD was sold within a short period of time
afterwards? I’m not saying that these are
solutions but just trying to provoke a different
perspective/thought.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
<br>
Christa <br>
<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rob Hall <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rob@momentous.com" target="_blank">rob@momentous.com</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed
Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working
Group, 15 May 2017 at 15:00 UTC<br>
<br>
<br>
If conditions remain the same, then yes, you would
probably experience the rush in the round part, not
in the FCFS part down the road. But this does not
resolve the issue of various parties having to
continue to watch over the applications that come in
over time. Instead of claims notices you'd have to
have "application notice services" to protect
affected parties from applications that affect them
directly from slipping through unnoticed. And even
then the risk of missing an application someone
might have a legitimate objection too is very high.<br>
<br>
It also rewards the fast over the thorough. Say two
potential applicants have the same idea for a string
at the same time. One writes up a quick application
and fires it off while the other takes care that the
application fits the community it is designed to
serve, but alas as that takes a day longer, that
applicant misses out as the other "came first".
<br>
<br>
OTOH, I am not a big fan of rounds either. Keeping
it simple has its benefits.<br>
<br>
Maybe FCFS is the best of all worlds after all, but
we at least should consider the risks and dangers
and ensure that whatever we end up with cannot be
gamed for public harm.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 16.05.2017 um 17:43 schrieb Rob Hall:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Sigh.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">My point
Volker is that others did it as well, and it
perfectly handled pent up demand. This is clearly
not just about one TLD.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Are you
really suggesting that if we did a round, say 3-4
months of open applications, followed by FCFS for
any string not applied in that round, that you think
there would be a rush in the first day ? I fail to
comprehend how that is possible.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Rob</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">From:
Volker Greimann <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank">
<vgreimann@key-systems.net></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Date:
Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:33 AM</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">To: Rob
Hall <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rob@momentous.com" target="_blank">
<rob@momentous.com></a>, <a
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href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">"gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank"><gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subject:
Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at
15:00 UTC</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Well
yes, Rob, your TLD was a special snowflake that
cannot realistically be compared to most other TLDs
though, can it?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Am
16.05.2017 um 17:31 schrieb Rob Hall:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Volker,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Your
statement is NOT true in any TLD that had a round
first.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Many
TLD’s had a round prior to FCFS that served to
handle the load of the rush.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">We did
exactly that, and had absolutely no rush in the
first day of FCFS. Not any. There was no point.
You could have applied yesterday just as today.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Rob</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">From: <a
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on behalf of Volker Greimann <a
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href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
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<vgreimann@key-systems.net></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Date:
Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:11 AM</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">To: <a
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"gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"</a> <a
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subject:
Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at
15:00 UTC</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> I am
always surprised when First come First served
becomes a discussion about the best technology.
That only occurs when you artificially create
demand, like we are doing in the rounds, or like we
are doing in the deleting domain space.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
Domains are registered every day on a first come
first served basis in all the new gTLD’s.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Actually,
when you look at the curves for most existing new
gTLDs, excepting those that run regular "free
promotions", you will find that the majority will
have about half or more of their overall
registrations happen in the first few hours or days.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
Opening the gates will always create an initial rush
that the fastest will benefit from most.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Another
issue with a continuous process is that of
monitoring. With rounds, it is essentially quite
easy for potentially affected parties to look at
what is there and then chose whether an objection is
warranted or needed. With an open free for all,
those organizations would have to perpetuate that
monitoring and constantly have to waste time and
ressources to make that decision.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
That is nice if you sell such monitoring services,
but not cost effective for those affected.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">From: <a
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on behalf of Alexander Schubert <a
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Date:
Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:54 AM</p>
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"gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"</a> <a
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subject:
Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at
15:00 UTC</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
Rob,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
I agree to a degree. But what with “free market
access†and “competition†? I assume we face
about 10,000 applications within 3 month after we
open the floodgates. Doesn’t matter whether it is
a “round†or an “ongoing process†– thhe
number of applications won’t change.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
If you have no “round†– what is it then? The
only othher thing than a “round†is “First
Comes First Served†. That’s a competition
KILLER. The ones will win who have the best “gTLD
snapping technology†. Why would we ELIMINATE
competition?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
There is no way around having a “round†once we
are ready to accept applications. Plus there needs
to be AMPLE time (at least 6 month) after the final
Applicant Guidebook is published for applicants to
make themselves familiar with the AGB and form their
application: This time it won’t be only ICANN
insiders who apply – but also many outsiders. The
application window itself could then be rather short
(1 week should be enough).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
But I agree with you: Instead of a vague
“promise†of a next round in “about a year†–
we should ALREADY set the date for the nnext
application window 6 to 12 month later. A fixed
date! It wouldn’t make much sense to have the next
window right 3 month later – ICANN’s capacities
will nnot allow for it. Also the next window dates
should be FIXED.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
So it’s almost like your “continuous application
mechanism†with one “launch date†– just that
there are various windows with fixed dates. To allow
for competition to happen.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Thanks,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Alexander</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">From:
Rob Hall [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rob@momentous.com" target="_blank">mailto:rob@momentous.com</a>]
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Sent:
Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:38 PM</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">To: <a
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href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
target="_blank">
alexander@schubert.berlin</a>; <a
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subject:
Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at
15:00 UTC</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Alexander,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">There is
no way that ICANN does rounds as fast as you are
desiring. There will always be forces that want to
delay, and use review and updating to enact that
delay.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The last
guidebook contemplated a round 1 year later. And
now it looks like it will be 8. The previous rounds
envisioned the same thing.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">If we
don’t explicitly design a system that allows it to
be open applications we are destined to repeat
ourselves.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The need
for rounds is artificial. We create this by not
allowing open applications.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">We all
seem OK with a sunrise period when a TLD launches.
A round is exactly the same idea. It allows for
applications during a period at the start in order
to deal with contentions.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Contentions
only exist because we are not allowing open
applications.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Oh, and
this notion of priority and categories also all goes
away if we just allow open applications.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I want
to be careful that we don’t layer on solving
issues with convoluted categories for a problem we
created.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Rob</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">From:
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href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"> gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>>
on behalf of Alexander Schubert <<a
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target="_blank"> alexander@schubert.berlin</a>></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Date:
Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 9:31 AM</p>
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target="_blank"> gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>"
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subject:
Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at
15:00 UTC</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Hi,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
I have initially been a BIG fan of “fast
tracking†certain categories – and frankly would
benefit myself (one of the strings I promote would
fit into 4 or even 5 of these suggested
categories). But after much thinking I must say:
This smells like disaster! So I concur with Rob.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
Especially as we would have to make sure that no
“generic keyword based†term would be applied for
(and fast-tracked) as either GEO or BRAND. Sneaky
elements will find a small geo-region identical to a
generic string (think “.bar†) – obtainn the
letter of non-objection – and get fast-tracked. They
then do NOT set up locality requirements and …… €¦
market to “bars†. There is a geo location to
almost every generic term.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
Brands: there is no definition of a “brand†in
regard to the DNS. At minimum the “brand†had to
have a TM in say 25 to 50 (arbitrary number)
countries since at least 20XX (ideally before 2012)
– AND should NOT be “generic†. If you arre
basing your brand on a generic term: Fine. Great.
Your own choice. But please do not expect that you
have a right on the entire generic keyword space on
top level in the DNS. Apply with everybody else –
and see whether theere is contention. In the real
life “generic term based Brand protection†works
because you can exempt the term’s natural meaning
from being protected – in the DNNS there are no
“Trademark Goods and Services Classes†:
unwittingly the generic term meaning would be
targeted, too! If you have a brand “sun†: GREAT!
Just do not tell us no one else has a right to apply
for a gTLD “.sun†– but you. You haven’t
protected “SUN†froom being used – just for
computers, or newspapers. Who kknows: Maybe there
are 75 Million Chinese people with the surname
“sun†? Allow someone to apply for a gTLD for
them.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
And “communities†or “non-profits†? NOT if
their application is based on a generic term! By
fast-tracking them we deny others access. This would
create a HUGE mess – and liability for ICANN. ICANN
woould get sued up and down.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
So there must be ONE application window in 2020 (or
whenever it is) – once the applications are all in:
we might “side-track†GEOs or Brands IF there is
no contention. But that seems rather an
implementation than a policy issue, right?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
As for the transition of “windows†(rounds) to
“an ongoing process: I like Jeff Neumann’s
suggestion that once when in a certain round there
are only a few (or none?) contentions – we open the
system up and allow real time application
submitting. Till then we have e.g. every two years,
annually or bi-annual “rounds†. Just not with an
8 years stop-gap in between like now. Most of the
“adjustment†to the Guidebook is due now (between
the 1st and the 2nd round). After that there will be
fewer and smaller “adjustments†– they could be
added “on the fly†. I guess thee 2nd round
(2020) will take up all of ICANN’s capacity for
say 2 years. So the 3rd round could be set 2 years
after the 2nd, the 4th a year after the 3rd, then
biannual rounds. Just: We need certainty for future
applicants –“ and definite schedule! </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Thanks,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
Alexander<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">From: <a
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gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a> [<a
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target="_blank"> mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Sent:
Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:14 AM</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">To: Rob
Hall <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rob@momentous.com" target="_blank">rob@momentous.com</a>>;
Greg Shatan <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Cc: <a
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subject:
Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at
15:00 UTC</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
And in fact, categories could give us the ability to
address the Brand issue and not constrain them to
rounds should we choose, just as we do not constrain
them with some of the other rules applicable to
typical TLDs.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
Alan</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
At 15/05/2017 09:58 PM, Rob Hall wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Greg,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Help me
understand why you would not want to get to a state
where anyone can apply for a gTLD at any time ?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I
believe this entire artificial “in rounds†that
we are are doing now is what is causing most of the
issues.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I feel a
lot of pressure is coming from Brands that missed
the last round and want their TLD. If we had an
open TLD registration process, they could have
easily applied by now. I suspect that the entire
reason for “Categories•€ is to try and say
we should proceed with one ahead of another.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">By doing
it in rounds, we are creating the scarcity that
causes most of the contention and issues.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">As I
just joined the list, perhaps I have missed why
categories are a good idea. Can someone fill me in
?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Rob.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">From:
Greg Shatan <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a> ></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Date:
Monday, May 15, 2017 at 9:27 PM</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">To: Rob
Hall <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rob@momentous.com" target="_blank">rob@momentous.com</a>></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Cc:
Martin Sutton <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org"
target="_blank"> martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>><wbr>,
Jeff Neuman <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"
target="_blank">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a> >,
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank"> gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank"> gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subject:
Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at
15:00 UTC</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I don't
think that's where we are trying to get to. Rather
"rounds vs. anyone can apply for a TLD at any time"
is one of the big questions for this WG. (I guess
we know your preferred answer now....)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">There
are a number of good reasons for categories --
certainly enough not to dismiss it out of hand.
Turning the TLD space into a "high rollers" version
of the SLD space is a troubling idea, to say the
least.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">There
were certainly problems with the community
applications (not really a separate "round") but
something done poorly may be worth doing better.
I'm sure we have plenty of other horror stories from
different parts of the New gTLD Program and from
different perspectives. We should learn from them,
rather than use them as an excuse to move away from
them.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">
Greg</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
name="m_5249385645417693022_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_UNIQUE_ID_SafeH">Greg
</a>Shatan</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">C: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28917%29%20816-6428"
value="+19178166428" target="_blank">917-816-6428</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">S:
gsshatan</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On Mon,
May 15, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Rob Hall <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rob@momentous.com" target="_blank">rob@momentous.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I
honestly can̢۪t see the purpose of categories.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">If you
think of the place we are trying to get to, where
anyone can apply for a TLD at any time, categories
seems to be a waste of time.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The
arguments for them seem to focus on these artificial
Rounds we are having, and somehow giving someone a
leg up on someone else. I can just imagine the
loud screaming when someone games the system. Have
we not learned anything from the sTLD and community
rounds we just went through ?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Rob.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">From:
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"> gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a>>
on behalf of Martin Sutton <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org"
target="_blank"> martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a>></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Date:
Monday, May 15, 2017 at 9:25 AM</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">To: Jeff
Neuman <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"
target="_blank">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a> ></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Cc: "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank"> gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank"> gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subject:
Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at
15:00 UTC</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">That
would be helpful. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I have
difficulties reconciling the notion of ignoring
categories, as it caused no end of problems after
applications were submitted and created unnecessary
delays. Where there are well-defined categories and
a proven demand, categories can be created and
processes refined for that particular category,
especially where the operating model is very
different to the traditional selling /distribution
to third parties.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Kind
regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Martin</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Martin
Sutton</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Executive
Director</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Brand
Registry Group</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:martin@brandregistrygroup.org"
target="_blank">martin@brandregistrygroup.org</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On 15
May 2017, at 15:17, Jeff Neuman <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"
target="_blank">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a> >
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
name="m_5249385645417693022_m_6153581150251737640__MailEndCompose"></a>Thanks
Kurt. Can you recirculate that article you wrote 6
months ago? It may help our discussions later
today.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Jeffrey
J. Neuman</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Senior
Vice President |Valideus USA | Com Laude USA</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">1751
Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Mclean,
VA 22102, United States</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">E: <a
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href="mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com"
target="_blank">
jeff.neuman@valideus.com</a> or <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"
target="_blank">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">T: <a
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+1.703.635.7514</a></p>
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+1.202.549.5079</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">@Jintlaw</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">From: <a
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href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">
gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a> [ <a
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href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">
mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Kurt Pritz</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Sent:
Monday, May 15, 2017 6:35 AM</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">To:
Steve Chan <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:steve.chan@icann.org" target="_blank">steve.chan@icann.org</a>>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subject:
Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at
15:00 UTC</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Hi
Everyone:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">In
reading the agenda for today’™s meeting, I read
the spreadsheet describing the different TLD types.
(See,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mA_hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJffzJAAhEvNlA/edit#gid=1186181551"
target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/<wbr>spreadsheets/d/1mA_<wbr>hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJff<wbr>zJAAhEvNlA/edit#gid=1186181551</a>
).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">It looks
remarkably similar to a chart presented to the ICANN
Board in 2010 or 2011 as the main argument for not
adding to the categories of TLDs in the last round
because they would be problematic (read,
“impossible†) to implement. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Even in
this spreadsheet, I can argue whether most of the
tick marks in the cells apply in all cases. This
means that each of the many tick marks presents a
significant barrier to: (1) getting through the
policy discussion in a timely manner, and (2) a
clean implementation. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Categories
of TLDs have always been problematic.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The
single most important lesson from the 2003-04
sponsored TLD round was to avoid a system where
delegation of domain name registries was predicated
upon satisfying criteria associated with categories.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">In the
last round, the Guidebook provided for two category
types: community and geographic. In my opinion, the
implementation of both was problematic: look at the
variances in CPE results and the difficulty with
.AFRICA. This wasn’t ¢t just a process failure,
the task itself was extremely difficult. Just how
does an evaluation panel adjudge a government
approval of a TLD application if one ministry says,
‘yes’ and the other ’no’? T¢no’?
This sort of issue is simple compared to evaluating
community applications. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The
introduction of a number of new gTLD categories with
a number of different accommodations will lead to a
complex and difficult application and evaluation
process (and an expensive, complicated contractual
compliance environment). It is inevitable that the
future will include ongoing attempts to create
policy for new categories as they are conceived.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">For
those who want a smoothly running, fair, predictable
gTLD program, the creation of categories should be
avoided.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Instead,
the outcome of our policy discussion could be a
process that
</p>
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<pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur</pre>
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<pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,</pre>
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<pre> </pre>
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<pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre>
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<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -</pre>
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<pre> </pre>
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<pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre>
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<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre>
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<pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre>
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<pre>Tel.: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></pre>
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<pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin</pre>
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<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre>
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<pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre>
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<pre>- legal department -</pre>
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<pre> </pre>
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<pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre>
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<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre>
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<pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre>
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<pre>Tel.: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></pre>
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<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
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