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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Kavouss,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Avri and I understand your position and that it is shared by others as well. We are going to put together a matrix of all of the proposals we have seen on this
list and will try (as best we can) to note proponents and opponents of such proposals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jay Westerdal <jay@topspectrum.com>; Avri Doria <avri@acm.org>; Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>; gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at 15:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">ALL</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">i expressed doubts about FCFS from the very beginning that it was proposed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">ICANN does not have any experience on how it would practically works.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Other entities outside ICANN system have long experience on how it works and what are the advantages and drawbacks.
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">When I raised the issue I was told that it is yet to be fully discussed and analyzed very carefully and cautiously.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">It should not give rise to some sort of warehousing in DNS for those who are quicker than others and have more possibilities than others.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Providing the opportunity to file every day or every hours a TLD and then continuing the process of objection is inefficient .</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The entire process should be looked at again.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">For the time being I am not in favour of such inefficient and damaging process.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Avri and JEFF are kindly requested to take necessary actions on this regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Kavouss </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2017-05-18 6:12 GMT+02:00 Jay Westerdal <<a href="mailto:jay@topspectrum.com" target="_blank">jay@topspectrum.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A reveal and then allowing for others to copy is not advised. And seriously inviting copying. It should be a secret closed 180 days. If a duplicate is filed in that window it gets grouped as a contention set.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On May 17, 2017 8:51 PM, "Greg Shatan" <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There's no reason to assume that the innovator will file first and that the "deep pockets" will come in afterwards. It could just as easily be the other way. Indeed, a larger, well-funded
company will have the resources to file quickly and across multiple desirable TLDs while the scrappy innovator is still out raising funds. I would argue that batching encourages innovation by leveling the playing field.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002E62">Greg Shatan<br>
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</span><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Good grief – how can this possibly reward innovative uses of new gTLDs? Every large registry operator
sees every other application and says – I can afford to spend more for that than the people who generated the idea.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rob Hall<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at 15:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">No, it's not the term, it's the concept. Also, disagreement is not irritation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">3. A holding period commences (e.g., 90 days), during which other applications for the same string can be filed and "batched" with
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">5. Contention sets can be resolved as they are today -- categories and priorities will be relevant here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">7. Once the contention set is resolved, the winner proceeds as in (6) above.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002E62">Greg Shatan<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 5:40 PM, Rob Hall <<a href="mailto:rob@momentous.com" target="_blank">rob@momentous.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What would roundless continuous applications look like if not FCFS ? Perhaps it is the FCFS term that is causing
irritation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Here is what I mean when I use it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The TLD is NOT taken.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ICANN starts its evaluation process and starts running down the agreed upon path we have now (or will have for the
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I am NOT suggesting any different process than if a TLD in a round had only one applicant. It would be identical.
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 5:33 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at 15:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I never said never to FCFS. I said that it could not be called "our goal" now, and that there are significant issues raised by FCFS.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This is but one example to show that classifying trademark law (at least in the US, no time for a 170 country survey) as a "first
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</span><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Nevett<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Aikman-Scalese, Anne<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017 at 15:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On May 17, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I am only talking about first to use under the common law and Intent-To-Use under U.S. TM applications.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Greg
Shatan [<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a>]<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>Aikman-Scalese, Anne<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>Rob Hall; Jeff Neuman; Alan Greenberg; Christa Taylor; Volker Greimann;<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017
at 15:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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a bedrock concept of trademark law, but that does not translate to "first come, first served." Application date is only of many competing issues considered with regard to seniority. In some cases, the app date is dispositive; in others, it's not even relevant.
T here are so many additional concepts involved that ultimately it's incorrect to say that US TM law is FCFS with regard to filing of a trademark application. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">AAikman@lrrc.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Isn’t trademark law itself an FCFS system in the U.S? You either<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><u>use</u><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>the
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Extreme example in relation to TLDs that are not FCFS: an entrepreneur with a creative business model
wants to file for an .iwatch TLD for a service that rates movies and TV programs by demographics – age, gender, interest, etc. (Of course he or she may sell ads.) But then a big company that makes or sells watches says, “hey wait, I don’t want that one to
go to someone else – I’m going to apply for .iwatch too and we’ll see who wins.” Or a big company that just competes with this sort of rating service just says, “hey, we can outbid this possible new entrant – let’s apply and shut them down.” This is a
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NEVER wins. You can’t base an LRO on an Intent—To-Use application so as the little guy, you are TOAST. (Your investors know this so they won’t front the application fee for the TLD or co-sign your start-up bank loan.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date:<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 11:55 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jeff Neuman <</span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>,
Rob Hall <</span><a href="mailto:rob@momentous.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">rob@momentous.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>, Alan Greenberg <</span><a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>,
Christa Taylor <</span><a href="mailto:christa@dottba.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">christa@dottba.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>, Volker Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>,
"</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">" <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
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idea and makes an application. Competitors then see that and say “hey I want a piece of that action.” Whether they win or sell their rights at private auction, it just makes developing a unique idea more expensive. I think that, in itself, is a type of
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Greg
Shatan [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:purple">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">]<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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<b>Cc:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>Rob Hall; Alan Greenberg; Aikman-Scalese, Anne; Christa Taylor; Volker Greimann;<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I would suggest that TLDs should not be sold on a true FCFS basis -- TLDs are simply too valuable and unique. We don't need to have
"rounds" in order to have all of the various protections (RPMs, Objections, GAC advice, etc.) remain -- we simply need to hold each application for evaluation and for the creation of contention sets if others want to join in and apply for the string. In essence,
each string becomes a "round" -- disaggregated from every other application but going through the same process as applications currently do. This eliminates the pent up demand problem, without succumbing to a "wild west" approach to TLDs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">To clarify, and I think this is consistent with some other proposals as well:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">1. ICANN conducts a “round 2” which deals with the pent up demand. We would have to work out contention
resolution rules and whether priority is offered to any category, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">2. After some up-front stated time period (which we would need to provide advice on). ICANN opens
up permanents to receive TLD applications and processes/evaluates and awards TLDs on a First-come, First-served basis. However, to ease the tracking problem that would come if applications were posted every day, ICANN would commit to posting all of its proposals
Quarterly (for example) so that anyone that wanted to file objections, public comments, etc. would have to only check 4X per year (as an example). This would eliminate all contention resolution, unless of course the application is unsuccessful (in which case
someone will develop a wait list service for TLDs ;)).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Other than that last part, do I have that right? If so, it presents an interesting combination of
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Aikman-Scalese, Anne <</span><a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">AAikman@lrrc.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>; 'Christa
Taylor' <</span><a href="mailto:christa@dottba.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">christa@dottba.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>; 'Volker Greimann'
<</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017
at 15:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">OK .. didn’t mean to step on anyones toes that was not part of this current string.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I don’t think anyone on this string has advocated FCFS as an initial solution. I wanted to be clear that FCFS only
was NOT what I was suggesting or advocating for.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The more I think about it, the more I actually think that if we were to concentrate on what a FCFS world would look
like (post contention round) that a lot of the policy would become much simpler and more clear. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As an example, would we need categories ? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Perhaps for what was in or out of the contract. Ie: It becomes just a means of a checkbox as to which one you are
so we know what contract terms apply.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">But for priority ? Can’t see why a category would be needed at all in a FCFS world.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So then the question becomes are they really relevant during what I will call the “Contention landrush period”, or
perhaps “Contention Sunrise”. Because that seems to be where most of the debate is focused.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alan
Greenberg <</span><a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Date:<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:27 PM<br>
<b>To:<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Rob Hall <</span><a href="mailto:rob@momentous.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">rob@momentous.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>,
"Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <</span><a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">AAikman@lrrc.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>, 'Christa Taylor' <</span><a href="mailto:christa@dottba.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">christa@dottba.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>,
'Volker Greimann' <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>, "</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"
<</span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017
at 15:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Rob, YOU may not be advocating FCFS to start with, but this WG has been going on for 15 months and that HAS been advocated. So much so that we are not allowed to refer to however/whenever
there will be a further release of GTLDs as a "round".<br>
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Alan<br>
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At 16/05/2017 10:03 PM, Rob Hall wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Anne,<br>
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To be clear, no one is advocating FCFS to start off. It is only being suggested AFTER the next round ends. So that after we have dealt any pent up demand, we move to a rolling registration of FCFS.<br>
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I think the objection I hear most is how can it be monitored. The reality is that it takes so many months for ICANN to move through the process that I don’t believe it will really be an issue.<br>
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However, we could just have ICANN issue the list of applications once a month, or once a quarter even, to make it easier to track. <span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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When they announce is not related to when the application is received and the priority it gets in a FCFS – after thee round- model.<br>
<br>
Rob<br>
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<b>From:<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">AAikman@lrrc.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 6:08 PM<br>
<b>To:<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></b>'Christa Taylor' <<a href="mailto:christa@dottba.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">christa@dottba.com</span></a>>,
'Volker Greimann' <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a>>, Rob Hall <<a href="mailto:rob@momentous.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">rob@momentous.com</span></a>>,
"<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></b>RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017
at 15:00 UTC<br>
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What about a hybrid approach? FCFS is a terrible idea when no application has been permitted for over 5 years. There is “pent-up†demand. It is also a terrible idea in terms of ICANN staff resources. Personally (and obviously not a view of the IPC),
I would see it this way:<br>
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1. We know GAC will advise Community Priority Round based on EC Report and Copenhagen Communique. It would take 60% of the Board to reject that public policy advice and 2/3 of the Board to reject GNSO Council Advice to the contrary. Will the Board act
in this situation or just tell GAC and GNSO to “work it out†? Why not “cut to the chase†and work it out with the GAC now ? All Objection processes should apply. PICs have to be made in connection with Community applications and they can’t be
revoked or it voids the registry agreement. It’s up to Track 3 to develop more policy on Community applications but watch out that we don’t trample on certain rights by stating that a Community application has to meet a “social good†requirement.
“Community†is also about freedom of association, or in this case, freedom of “virtual association†.<br>
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(Please note GAC may even include IGOs and Governmental Organization applications in its public policy Advice for priority rounds. No idea what applies as to IGOs and GOs in terms of definition and PICs. Could an LRO be successful against a Governmental
Organization application for a geo name? Is there any way to work this out now? ICANN has got to get way more efficient in resolving policy differences before they get to the Board. And would this free up the process for geo name applications if no application
is made by a Governmental Organization during this window? Could there be an “estoppel†factor if geo name not covered by old version of AGB?)<br>
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2. Applications from Brands – Yes, I favor a windoow for brands. Why? Because it’s all easier under Spec 13 and I want the investment that brands have made in the marketing of brand names that correspond with potential TLD strings to pay off. (Yes,
I am a trademark lawyer.) Objection procedures still apply – e.g. string confusion, community objection, legal rigghts, limited public interest, etc. Applications for same brand passing initial evaluation process would go into string contention. After
the contract award, a brand may only transfer to a third party acquiring all or substantially all its stock or assets, the trademark, and the good will associated with the brand, and assuming all obligations of the registry, including PICs if any.<br>
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3. Open Window of Six Months – ICANN takes all ccomers and applications compete. String contention and all objection procedures apply.<br>
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4. Six months after # 3 – FFCFS - No window – all types of applications welcome - FFirst Come, First Served, (no window but we need a public notice process as to strings applied for to trigger notice for objections).<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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Anne<br>
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<b>Anne E. Aikman-Scalese<br>
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<b>From:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"><span style="color:purple"> </span></span><span style="color:purple">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<b>On
Behalf Of<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Christa Taylor<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>'Volker Greimann'; 'Rob Hall';<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017
at 15:00 UTC<br>
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Lots of different perspectives so thought I’d add another.<br>
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Appears as though categories, priorities, etc. creates concerns around gaming the system. Perhaps trying to deal with the elephant in the room would be the more direct approach. How do we prevent gaming? For instance, what if there was no private auction
process or if the registry could potentially lose ownership of the TLD if it changed its operations to a different purpose than applied for or the TLD was sold within a short period of time afterwards? I’m not saying that these are solutions but just trying
to provoke a different perspective/thought.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
<br>
Christa <span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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<b>From:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"><span style="color:purple"> </span></span><span style="color:purple">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<b>On
Behalf Of<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>Rob Hall <<a href="mailto:rob@momentous.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">rob@momentous.com</span></a>>;<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed Agenda: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, 15 May 2017
at 15:00 UTC<br>
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<br>
If conditions remain the same, then yes, you would probably experience the rush in the round part, not in the FCFS part down the road. But this does not resolve the issue of various parties having to continue to watch over the applications that come in over
time. Instead of claims notices you'd have to have "application notice services" to protect affected parties from applications that affect them directly from slipping through unnoticed. And even then the risk of missing an application someone might have a
legitimate objection too is very high.<br>
<br>
It also rewards the fast over the thorough. Say two potential applicants have the same idea for a string at the same time. One writes up a quick application and fires it off while the other takes care that the application fits the community it is designed to
serve, but alas as that takes a day longer, that applicant misses out as the other "came first".<span class="m-7565255492445626292m-157905108497095820m5162260629646085182m8541153861378612159m8002200084956371433apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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OTOH, I am not a big fan of rounds either. Keeping it simple has its benefits.<br>
<br>
Maybe FCFS is the best of all worlds after all, but we at least should consider the risks and dangers and ensure that whatever we end up with cannot be gamed for public harm.<br>
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Best,<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
<br>
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Am 16.05.2017 um 17:43 schrieb Rob Hall:<o:p></o:p></p>
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