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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Dear WG Members,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Please see below the action items and discussion notes captured by staff from the meeting on 25 September. <i>These high-level notes are designed to help PDP WG members navigate through the content of the call and are not meant as a substitute for the transcript or recording</i>. The MP3, transcript, and chat room notes will be provided separately.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>See the referenced documents: Drafting Team Discussion – Different TLD Types (Wiki Page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/YKLRAw">https://community.icann.org/x/YKLRAw</a> and Working Document:<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mA_hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJffzJAAhEvNlA/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mA_hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJffzJAAhEvNlA/edit?usp=sharing</a>); Community Comment 1 is available here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=59645660">https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=59645660</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Julie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Julie Hedlund, Policy Director<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Actions/Discussion Notes</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.5pt'> </span></i><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>1. Co-Chair Update: <o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- One nomination for Cheryl Langdon-Orr. The call for volunteers has ended. If there are no objections that WG will add Cheryl as a third Co-Chair for approval by the GNSO Council on the consent agenda. In about 6 weeks when Avri steps down there will be two Co-Chairs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Consensus to name Cheryl as the third Co-Chair pending approval by the GNSO Council.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>2. Work Track Updates:<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Work Track 1: Christa Taylor<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Next meeting, continue conversation from 19 September meeting on the Registry Service Provider Accreditation Program.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Work Track 2: Michael Flemming<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Continuing discussion on closed generics. Invited individuals -- Kathy Kleiman and Michele Neylon -- to take part in the discussion. Endeavor to finalize it. 1500 UTC on 28 September.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Work Track 3: Karen Day<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Meeting on 26 September at 1500 UTC on string similiarity. Proposal from a group of registries for dealing with the problems that arose in the previous round.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Work Track 4: Rubens Kuhl<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Last call discussed financial evaluation. At the meeting on Thursday, 28 September at 2000 UTC we will discuss name collisions and registry services.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Work Track 5: Jeff Neuman<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Have a nominee from the ccNSO. Waiting for nominations from the GAC and the ALAC. Received three nominations for the GNSO.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Concerning the three GNSO candidates for one slot, we need to check to see if they are okay with having their names released. Then the names would be listed and the Leadership would go through the selection process and make a recommendation for the full WG to see if there are any objections.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- ALAC completed a consensus call on selecting a leader and will notify the PDP WG after the candidates have been notified. Will likely have some terms and conditions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- GAC assured that they were working on it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): QUESTION: @Jeff - Who are the nomiinees from GNSO? QUESTION<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): COMMENT- Avri just said we would know the names of the nominees. That way members of this group can provide input to Leadership on the choice. COMMENT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: I don't think we divide WG members between SOs and ACs, since there is no requirement to be from a SO or AC to joing a GNSO PDP WG. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Karen Day: I thik Greg is reccomending that only GNSO members of this group select<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Seems a good point to me there @Rubens<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): GNSO Council?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: Maxim, the GNSO Council punted this choice to the WG leadership. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Greg Shatan: Not GNSO Council. They don't get involved in picking Subgroup leadership.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): The Council suggested the LT to do that as Rubens stated<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Heather Forrest: Given that the WT5 leaders each represent an SO/AC, then I think the GNSO should be deciding its leader. The GNSO did not have input into the other SO/AC leader nominations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): He types faster than I do it seems ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): Dropping for another (hopefully short) meeting. Back soon.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Heather Forrest: No problem, Jeff!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): @Greg, representation needs to be somewhat equal ... for GAC level it is going to be GNSO Council<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Greg Shatan: Maxim, it's not Council's job.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): I thought GNSO said they will not agree to decide the chair of WT5.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>3. Drafting Team Discussion continued – Different TLD Types:</span></i><span style='font-size:10.5pt'> (Wiki Page: https://community.icann.org/x/YKLRAw and Working Document:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mA_hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJffzJAAhEvNlA/edit?usp=sharing)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Where we ended: We discussed a number of different categories that existed in the 2012 round and then some new ones that came up after the AGB came out and some that in theory could be categories.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- At this point we are just identifying potential categories, then define attributes of these categories. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Once we define attributes then the work kicks out to the Work Track to see how those categories fit into the work they are doing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Example, if Brand should be a category once we agree we kick it out to the specific work tracks that discussion the applications, such as Work Track for in the case of Brand.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- We started discussing whether we should create a category for applicant support and added it to tab 5. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Clearly differentiate what we are trying to identify in that category.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Not-for-Profit</span></u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Not sure if not-for-profit synonymous with being in the public interest -- it may be a criteria for funding.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Creating a separate category for not-for-profit didn't make sense. Might be used as a criteria, which is a different question.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Trying to create a model -- if there is a category can we define it. If we define it what would be the significance.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Once we have these categories, do we treat them differently?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- The issue we face for policy is that the applicant support program was not that successful in the 2012 round. Are there policy issues that need to be more fully considered? We should go through the exercise, but we don't know the outcome yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Applications can fall into more than one category.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- If you have an application that falls under more then one category then we assume we would do what we did in the 2012 round and ask the applicant to pick.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Action: Take out Not-for-Profit as a category but take note if we want to put it back in.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): not for profit is just the form<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: There are not-for-profit and there are charitable organizations... could we be mixing the two concepts ? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Vanda Scartezini: teh community did not work last time. even catching all the documentation entered into regular auction... <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Phil Buckingham: I agree Ken we need to differentiate - so we then would have different financial evaluation questions perhaps <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Susan Payne: agree, some not for profits are very wealthy. ICANN for example<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Vanda Scartezini: I also agree with NGO group. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Donna Austin, Neustar: good point Susan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Vanda Scartezini: there will be difficult to deffend only being NGO Alan. agree<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): Agree with Alan we cannot limit Applicant Support to non-profit organizations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Alexander Schubert: The keyword might be "public benefit"!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): do we intend to make special categories for LTD or private companies? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Alexander Schubert: The keyword might be "public benefit"!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): do we intend to make special categories for LTD or private companies? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Hadia Elminiawi: +1 Alan cannot limit support to not for profit organizations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Heather Forrest: Seems to me that the answer to whether to create new categories depends on what hyou are using the categorisation for....<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Vanda Scartezini: MAxim, I beleive we shall restrict the number of categories<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Jeff Neuman: @Heather - There is definately a chicken / egg problem<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>kavouss arasteh: If we take that path we may end up with numerous additional categories which could complicate the process<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Martin Sutton: @Jeff. Agree, I think the non-profit element is a sub component of the applicant, rather than a categorisation of the registry.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): @Vanda, that was what I meant... we do not need to do so<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Vanda Scartezini: ok then, Maxim, support this <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Heather Forrest: Specific question: What will categories be used for??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): There is clearly still a lot to discuss in this exercise, but it is a good one to pursue IMO<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Gg Levine (NABP): Would an applicant have to be identified as a member of a designated category to be considered eligible for financial support?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Martin Sutton: @Heather. dotBrands could have benefited from categorisation in 2012 round, instead, there was a lot of pain during the post-application phase, but eventually recognised as a distinct model through spec 13.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): It's not about being a non-profit. It's about needing Applicant Support.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Vanda Scartezini: I beleive so Rubens, and may be what alla re looking at when trying to define categories<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Christa Taylor: +1 Anne<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Heather Forrest: @Martin - it makes sense where a categor is created in order to serve a clear purpose. For brands, clearly the purpose was efficiency in evluation and contracting. That I can see clearly. I think we need clear reasons/purpose like that for any other categories as well <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Donna Austin, Neustar: The criteria for applicant support should be needs based and not tied to specific organisations.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Is there a case for "case by case" in the matter of appropriate for Applicant Support program?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: It's on the list for now, last line of page 1. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>kavouss arasteh: We should avoid creating new categories under which some of the existing categories covered<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Highly Regulated and Sensitive TLDs:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Discussed on the last call, and thought the two needed to be separate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Separate them into two categories for this exercise.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: Some Geo TLDs are government entities (like .nyc or .rio) and some are not (like .berlin). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): +1 Rubens<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Donna Austin, Neustar: Regardless of category, all applications will likely undergo the same baseline process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Donna Austin, Neustar: .nyc is not a geoTLD as defined in the AGB<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): The reason we need a separate category is because this effort failed in the 2012 round.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Donna Austin, Neustar: I was responding to a comment by Rubens<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): We need to develop policies to help those who need Applicant Support to succeed. That is why the category should be separate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: Donna, .nyc is a GeoTLD according to both ICANN and NYC Mayor's Office:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: https://newgtlds.icann.org/sites/default/files/ier/f3T5ufeSpeThAJezaxezuDtE/ie-1-1715-21938-en.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: "Geographic Names Geographic Name - PassThe Geographic Names Panel has determined that yourapplication falls within the criteria fora geographic name contained inthe Applicant Guidebook<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Highly Regulated and Sensitive TLDs:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Discussed on the last call, and thought the two needed to be separate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Separate them into two categories for this exercise.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: Some Geo TLDs are government entities (like .nyc or .rio) and some are not (like .berlin). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): +1 Rubens<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Donna Austin, Neustar: Regardless of category, all applications will likely undergo the same baseline process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Donna Austin, Neustar: .nyc is not a geoTLD as defined in the AGB<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): The reason we need a separate category is because this effort failed in the 2012 round.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Donna Austin, Neustar: I was responding to a comment by Rubens<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): We need to develop policies to help those who need Applicant Support to succeed. That is why the category should be separate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: Donna, .nyc is a GeoTLD according to both ICANN and NYC Mayor's Office:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: https://newgtlds.icann.org/sites/default/files/ier/f3T5ufeSpeThAJezaxezuDtE/ie-1-1715-21938-en.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: "Geographic Names Geographic Name - PassThe Geographic Names Panel has determined that yourapplication falls within the criteria fora geographic name contained inthe Applicant Guidebook Section 2.2.1.4, and the documentation of support or non-objection provided has met all relevant criteriain Section 2.2.1.4.3 of the Applicant Guidebook"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Donna Austin, Neustar: @Rubens, I get that, but it is not a geo in terms of the AGB.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Maxim Alzoba (FAITID): like poor oil industry communty brand<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: Donna, tell that to ICANN and to the .nyc operator ... ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): Hi! I think this conversation started while I had dropped for another meeting. Can someone fill me in as to why we're discussing categories? Whether to have them? What that determination drives? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Jamie Baxter | dotgay: in the 2012 round weren't applicants allowed to pick both geo and community?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Krishna Seeburn - Kris: agreed things may have to be clear at the application time and meeting the needed requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: @Jamie, that's true, and there some examples. OSAKA and one or two of the Barcelona TLDs. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): OK, thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): We should perhaps consider different specifications for Applicant Support applicants - e.g. okay to have a fewer number of registrars - make their operations simpler. We need to develop policies to encourage the success of those needing Applicant Support in the public interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: .OSAKA was decided between two applicants on a Community Priority Evaluation, there were two applications with non-objection from the government. One was community and one was not. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>avri doria: but Geo was an emergent 'category' while community was a defined category. perhaps that is the reason for overlap.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>avri doria: but perhaps geo and community are not both categories but one of them is an attribute that can be applied to multiple categories.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>kavouss arasteh: Yes ,highly regulated is totally different than sensitive category<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>kavouss arasteh: different from<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Rubens Kuhl: Avri, we could define categories as mutually exclusive and attributes as non-exclusive to move the discussions along. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Donna Austin, Neustar: @Avri, geo was a category because of additional requirements. community was a category because of different requirements. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Exclusive Use Registries and closed generics</span></u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>: Hold for a longer discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Open TLD with minor domain charter registration challenges</span></u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>: Does not seem materially different than Open registries<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Governmental Organization Applicants</span></u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Applicant Support Applications</span></u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>: Talk about this to determine if any differentiations have to be made in policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Are there any other potential categories?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>From the chat:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Jamie Baxter | dotgay: i actually thought there were only standard and community TLDs as options in the 2012 round, however geo was a box that required checking when completing an application and as Donna pointed out, it required additional requirements<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry): Would it be because of contractual restrictions (e.g., with ICANN)?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>avri doria: Jamie, that is somewhat what i mean by the difference between categories and attributes that can be applied to any category.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Next exercise</span></u><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>: Look at the next two columns: Attributes for specific purpose? A set of specific requirements for the applicant?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Example: Brand TLDs:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Attributes:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Often closed registration policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Likely minimal need for registrar services.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Registrations likely do not drive income.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Possibly lower bars for technical/financial capabilities.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Likely less (or no) need for registrant protections.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Requirements for Applicants:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>As defined in applying for Specification 13.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>4. Any other business -- Summary Documents from Staff:<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- shared with the leadership team. See: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A5uaxBAgmg7QsFuqMdVvt1HxNZ4jKXnm3Hp0gZra7U0/edit?usp=sharing<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Purpose: Recognition that there are so many topics that it is how to understand where the status is for any given topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Also could be for other people in the community who might be interested in following.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Captures deliberation, problem statements, CC2 comment integration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>-- Want to add the dependencies between topics.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>