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    I think we are overstepping the scope of the WG here. Is this WG
    going to decide on business models? If that is the case, I think
    this WG should inform the GNSO and make sure we are within scope. <br>
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    Thanks, <br>
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    Theo Geurts<br>
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    Theo <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1-1-2018 21:19, Kavouss Arasteh
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        <div>Dear All, </div>
        <div>First of all Happy new years to all .</div>
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        <div>While I agree with Christopher and Vanda ,in principle ,
          however, this should be further explored and discussed</div>
        <div>.</div>
        <div>Regards</div>
        <div>Kavouss </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Rubens
          Kuhl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br"
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              <div>I believe Katrin and Maxim were disagreeing with
                Christopher; just for clarity, do you believe that
                GeoTLDs should be required to be non-profit operations
                and have registration restrictions (like Christopher
                suggested) or to not have any of such requirements (like
                Katrin and Maxim suggested) ? </div>
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                        <div>Em 28 de dez de 2017, à(s) 17:52:000, Vanda
                          Scartezini <<a
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                          escreveu:</div>
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                            agree with Christopher, the cities in my
                            country are not to intend to be not for
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                            <div>Sorry for typos </div>
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                            On 28 Dec 2017, at 11:11, Katrin Ohlmer |
                            DOTZON GmbH <<a
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                                    Katrin<br>
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                                      [<a
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                                        moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]<span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im Auftrag
                                        von<span
                                          class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Maxim
                                      Alzoba<br>
                                      <b>Gesendet:</b><span
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                                      28.<span
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                                        lang="EN-US">Dezember 2017 08:05<br>
                                        <b>An:</b><span
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                                        <b>Cc:</b><span
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                                        <b>Betreff:</b><span
                                          class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                        [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and
                                        Action Items - New gTLD
                                        Subsequent Procedures PDP
                                        Working Group - 11 December 2017</span></div>
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                                  Cristopher, </div>
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                                  <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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                                    do not think we need to prescribe
                                    the form of the entities for GEOs.</div>
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                                  <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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                                    form of GEO applicant does not have
                                    to be non-for profit (it does not
                                    work in cases. where  municipal
                                    entity decides to run tender, where
                                    the highest bidder is allowed</div>
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                                  <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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                                    have a letter of support from the
                                    city). Also costs are also the same
                                    (except for taxation) for commercial
                                    entities.</div>
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                                  <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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                                    since municipal entities represent
                                    large populations of people (and
                                    usually heads of cities are
                                    elected),</div>
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                                  <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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                                    represent public interest in GEOs,
                                    and non non-for profits applying for
                                    the job.</div>
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                                  <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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                                    the cases where the municipal entity
                                    acts on it's own as an applicant -
                                    they can not be non-for profit and
                                    also can not follow</div>
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                                  <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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                                    the text in the RA (after all cities
                                    follow national law, which usually
                                    is quite prescriptive in the areas
                                    of what cities can and can not do).</div>
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                                    for Registration Restrictions - not
                                    necessary GEOs will use it (they are
                                    already limited by the local persons
                                    interest (most probably citizens of
                                    other areas do not need it)</div>
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                                  <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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                                    and there is no need to make it
                                    worse).</div>
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                                  <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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                                    an entity can not bear the costs, it
                                    does not matter, which legal form
                                    was used before it</div>
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                                  <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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                                    ability to run Registry business, so
                                    I am not sure why we need to have
                                    two different approaches to the
                                    evaluation.</div>
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                                    list of costs: COI instrument,
                                    contracts with ISPs with DDoS
                                    protection, rack space for hardware
                                    in at least two datacenters, salary
                                    for engineers/office, Secondary DNS
                                    Anycast cloud services, office rent
                                    costs, legal advice cost - talking
                                    to ICANN Compliance might need it
                                    e.t.c ... or the procurement of
                                    all/some of  those services from the
                                    backend providers (RSPs).</div>
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                                    thinking is that financial model
                                    evaluation was more an abstract test
                                    then real model used later by
                                    Registries, so it is not known if it
                                    was useful, and audits of newly
                                    created legal entities can not show
                                    the future of the entity (though it
                                    might be helpful for old ones).</div>
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                                    the current round thorough research
                                    did not help with predictions of
                                    ICANN's actions / lack of actions
                                    and I do not think </div>
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                                    it will help in the next one.</div>
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style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Sincerely Yours,<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Maxim Alzoba<br>
                                                      Special projects
                                                      manager,<br>
                                                      International
                                                      Relations
                                                      Department,<br>
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                                          Dec 27, 2017, at 22:10,<span
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style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
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                                              Emily:</div>
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                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">1.<span
                                                  class="m_1144979958401643495apple-tab-span">          <span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Re:
                                                Potential TLD
                                                types/categories</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">It is not clear what
                                                is meant by ‘carve-out’.
                                                Regarding Geo-Names, I
                                                consider that they
                                                should be generally Not
                                                for Profit, in the
                                                public interests in the
                                                areas that they serve.
                                                They would normally have
                                                Registration
                                                Restrictions, for
                                                instance, location
                                                based.</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Regarding evaluation
                                                criteria, I consider
                                                that much more stringent
                                                economic considerations
                                                should be applied
                                                generally to ‘for
                                                profit’ proposals. This
                                                is not a ‘carve-out’ but
                                                a general requirement.</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">2.<span
                                                  class="m_1144979958401643495apple-tab-span">          <span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Framework
                                                of Predictability:<span
class="m_1144979958401643495apple-tab-span">      <span
                                                    class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>I
                                                recall that during the
                                                previous round, a source
                                                of ‘unpredictability’
                                                was the lack of
                                                understanding by
                                                applicants of the policy
                                                context with which they
                                                were engaging at local,
                                                national and
                                                international level. 
                                                For applicants to reduce
                                                unpredictability, I
                                                would recommend much
                                                more thorough research
                                                 before applying.</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">In this context, the
                                                use of the word
                                                ‘generic’ is
                                                increasingly misleading.
                                                We should avoid any
                                                suggestion that the
                                                default is ‘generic’ and
                                                that anything else is a
                                                ‘carve-out’.</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">On the contrary,
                                                nearly all categories
                                                show specific
                                                characteristics of their
                                                own. These are not
                                                ‘carve outs’ but rather
                                                distinct categories.</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Regards</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Christopher Wilkinson</div>
                                            </div>
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0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </div>
                                            </div>
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                                            </div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <blockquote
                                                  style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div
                                                      style="margin:0cm
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                                                      21 Dec 2017, at
                                                      20:18, Emily
                                                      Barabas <<a
                                                        style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>>
                                                      wrote:</div>
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                                                        style="margin:0cm
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                                                        Working Group
                                                        members,<span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
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style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div
                                                        style="margin:0cm
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0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">On
                                                        the 11 December
                                                        Working Group
                                                        call, the
                                                        co-chairs
                                                        invited Working
                                                        Group members to
                                                        provide input on
                                                        two items over
                                                        the mailing
                                                        list. This note
                                                        serves as a
                                                        reminder of the
                                                        issues for which
                                                        they are seeking
                                                        comments. <span
style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div
                                                        style="margin:0cm
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style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div
                                                        style="margin:0cm
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0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">On
                                                        the call, the WG
                                                        reviewed the
                                                        status of
                                                        conversations
                                                        regarding
                                                        potential TLD
                                                        types/categories
                                                        for subsequent
                                                        procedures (<a
                                                          style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mA_hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJffzJAAhEvNlA/edit#gid=0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>spreadsheets/d/1mA_<wbr>hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJff<wbr>zJAAhEvNlA/edit#gid=0</span></a>).
                                                        Your input is
                                                        encouraged on
                                                        the following
                                                        questions:<span
style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
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style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <ul
                                                      style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm"
                                                      type="disc">
                                                      <li
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Is
                                                        it critical to
                                                        carve out
                                                        exceptions for
                                                        some of the
                                                        identified
                                                        types? If so,
                                                        what are the <b>pros/cons </b>for
                                                        carving out
                                                        specific
                                                        mechanisms to
                                                        accommodate any
                                                        of the proposed
                                                        types?<span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt"></span></li>
                                                      <li
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">If
                                                        there are <b>critical
                                                          exceptions</b> needed
                                                        for any of the
                                                        proposed types,
                                                        please help
                                                        identify what
                                                        they might be
                                                        (e.g., applicant
                                                        eligibility
                                                        criteria,
                                                        evaluation
                                                        criteria/process,
                                                        contractual
                                                        requirements,
                                                        etc.).<span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt"></span></li>
                                                    </ul>
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                                                    </div>
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                                                      <div
                                                        style="margin:0cm
                                                        0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">The
                                                        WG touched
                                                        briefly on the
                                                        Framework for
                                                        Predictability (<a
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lzXxBLMtFr03BKnHsa-Ss7kR7EAJt7pCI1EP3H81tfQ/edit#heading=h.8pcr95hvmmz"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/<wbr>1lzXxBLMtFr03BKnHsa-<wbr>Ss7kR7EAJt7pCI1EP3H81tfQ/edit#<wbr>heading=h.8pcr95hvmmz</span></a>),
                                                        which is
                                                        intended to
                                                        balance ICANN
                                                        Org’s ability to
                                                        operate in an
                                                        effective manner
                                                        while ensuring
                                                        the community is
                                                        properly
                                                        consulted when
                                                        issues arise.
                                                        Your input is
                                                        requested on the
                                                        following:  <span
style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
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style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">
</span><span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <ul
                                                      style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm"
                                                      type="disc">
                                                      <li
                                                        class="MsoNormal"
style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">What
                                                        are some use
                                                        cases we can
                                                        apply against
                                                        the framework to
                                                        test how it
                                                        would work in
                                                        practice?<span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt"></span></li>
                                                    </ul>
                                                    <div>
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                                                    </div>
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                                                      <div
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0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">For
                                                        background,
                                                        please see the
                                                        attached slides
                                                        for the call. In
                                                        order to help
                                                        the Working
                                                        Group progress
                                                        deliberations on
                                                        this topic,
                                                        please share
                                                        your thoughts on
                                                        the mailing list
                                                        prior to the
                                                        next full
                                                        Working Group
                                                        call on 8
                                                        January 2018.<span
style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
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                                                      <div
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                                                        regards,<span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div
                                                        style="margin:0cm
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style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
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style="font-size:12pt">From:<span
                                                          class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-size:12pt">Gnso-newgtld-wg <<a
                                                          style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</span></a>>
                                                          on behalf of
                                                          Emily Barabas
                                                          <<a
                                                          style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">emily.barabas@icann.org</span></a>><br>
                                                          <b>Date:<span
class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday 11
                                                          December 2017
                                                          at 12:11<br>
                                                          <b>To:<span
                                                          class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
                                                          href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a><wbr>"
                                                          <<a
                                                          style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a>><br>
                                                          <b>Subject:<span
class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[Gnso-newgtld-wg]
                                                          Notes and
                                                          Action Items -
                                                          New gTLD
                                                          Subsequent
                                                          Procedures PDP
                                                          Working Group
                                                          - 11 December
                                                          2017</span></div>
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                                                        Working Group
                                                        members,<span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
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                                                        find below notes
                                                        and action items
                                                        from the call
                                                        today.  These
                                                        high-level notes
                                                        are designed to
                                                        help Working
                                                        Group members
                                                        navigate through
                                                        the content of
                                                        the call and are
                                                        not a substitute
                                                        for the chat
                                                        transcript or
                                                        the recording.
                                                        The call
                                                        recording, call
                                                        transcript, and
                                                        chat transcript
                                                        will soon be
                                                        available here:<a
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_SQxyB&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mBQzlSaM6eYCHFBU-v48zs-QSrjHB0aWmHuE4X4drzI&m=JEW8DnUXx2bEgewpLq4ebIZVMtuhZshCB5JwVdtHj4Y&s=pE0ABBF34dzGWetkfjMphb2NWNS_azPVgS-tWeASZUY&e="
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">https://community.icann.<wbr>org/x/SQxyB[community.icann.<wbr>org]</span></a>.<span
class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span><span
                                                          style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
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style="font-size:12pt"></span></div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div
                                                        style="margin:0cm
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0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Some
                                                        excerpts from
                                                        the chat room
                                                        are included in
                                                        the notes.
                                                        Please see the
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