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I think we are overstepping the scope of the WG here. Is this WG
going to decide on business models? If that is the case, I think
this WG should inform the GNSO and make sure we are within scope. <br>
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Thanks, <br>
<br>
Theo Geurts<br>
<br>
Theo <br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1-1-2018 21:19, Kavouss Arasteh
wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear All, </div>
<div>First of all Happy new years to all .</div>
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<div>While I agree with Christopher and Vanda ,in principle ,
however, this should be further explored and discussed</div>
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<div>Regards</div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Rubens
Kuhl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rubensk@nic.br</a>></span>
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Vanda,
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<div>I believe Katrin and Maxim were disagreeing with
Christopher; just for clarity, do you believe that
GeoTLDs should be required to be non-profit operations
and have registration restrictions (like Christopher
suggested) or to not have any of such requirements (like
Katrin and Maxim suggested) ? </div>
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<div>Em 28 de dez de 2017, à(s) 17:52:000, Vanda
Scartezini <<a
href="mailto:vanda@scartezini.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vanda@scartezini.org</a>>
escreveu:</div>
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agree with Christopher, the cities in my
country are not to intend to be not for
profit </span><br
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<div>Sorry for typos </div>
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Katrin<br>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><b>Von:</b><span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg
[<a
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]<span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im Auftrag
von<span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Maxim
Alzoba<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b><span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span>Donnerstag,
28.<span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
lang="EN-US">Dezember 2017 08:05<br>
<b>An:</b><span
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style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lists@<wbr>christopherwilkinson.eu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span
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<b>Betreff:</b><span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and
Action Items - New gTLD
Subsequent Procedures PDP
Working Group - 11 December 2017</span></div>
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lang="EN-US"> </span></div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Dear
Cristopher, </div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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do not think we need to prescribe
the form of the entities for GEOs.</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Legal
form of GEO applicant does not have
to be non-for profit (it does not
work in cases. where municipal
entity decides to run tender, where
the highest bidder is allowed</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">to
have a letter of support from the
city). Also costs are also the same
(except for taxation) for commercial
entities.</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">And
since municipal entities represent
large populations of people (and
usually heads of cities are
elected),</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> they
represent public interest in GEOs,
and non non-for profits applying for
the job.</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">In
the cases where the municipal entity
acts on it's own as an applicant -
they can not be non-for profit and
also can not follow</div>
</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">all
the text in the RA (after all cities
follow national law, which usually
is quite prescriptive in the areas
of what cities can and can not do).</div>
</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">As
for Registration Restrictions - not
necessary GEOs will use it (they are
already limited by the local persons
interest (most probably citizens of
other areas do not need it)</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">,
and there is no need to make it
worse).</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">If
an entity can not bear the costs, it
does not matter, which legal form
was used before it</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">loses
ability to run Registry business, so
I am not sure why we need to have
two different approaches to the
evaluation.</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> Short
list of costs: COI instrument,
contracts with ISPs with DDoS
protection, rack space for hardware
in at least two datacenters, salary
for engineers/office, Secondary DNS
Anycast cloud services, office rent
costs, legal advice cost - talking
to ICANN Compliance might need it
e.t.c ... or the procurement of
all/some of those services from the
backend providers (RSPs).</div>
</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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thinking is that financial model
evaluation was more an abstract test
then real model used later by
Registries, so it is not known if it
was useful, and audits of newly
created legal entities can not show
the future of the entity (though it
might be helpful for old ones).</div>
</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">In
the current round thorough research
did not help with predictions of
ICANN's actions / lack of actions
and I do not think </div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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it will help in the next one.</div>
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style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Sincerely Yours,<br>
<br>
Maxim Alzoba<br>
Special projects
manager,<br>
International
Relations
Department,<br>
FAITID<br>
<br>
m. <a
href="tel:+7%20916%20676-15-80"
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value="+79166761580" moz-do-not-send="true">+7 916 6761580</a>(+whatsapp)</span></div>
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Dec 27, 2017, at 22:10,<span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">lists@<wbr>christopherwilkinson.eu</a><span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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Emily:</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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class="m_1144979958401643495apple-tab-span"> <span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Re:
Potential TLD
types/categories</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">It is not clear what
is meant by ‘carve-out’.
Regarding Geo-Names, I
consider that they
should be generally Not
for Profit, in the
public interests in the
areas that they serve.
They would normally have
Registration
Restrictions, for
instance, location
based.</div>
</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Regarding evaluation
criteria, I consider
that much more stringent
economic considerations
should be applied
generally to ‘for
profit’ proposals. This
is not a ‘carve-out’ but
a general requirement.</div>
</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
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class="m_1144979958401643495apple-tab-span"> <span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Framework
of Predictability:<span
class="m_1144979958401643495apple-tab-span"> <span
class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>I
recall that during the
previous round, a source
of ‘unpredictability’
was the lack of
understanding by
applicants of the policy
context with which they
were engaging at local,
national and
international level.
For applicants to reduce
unpredictability, I
would recommend much
more thorough research
before applying.</div>
</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">In this context, the
use of the word
‘generic’ is
increasingly misleading.
We should avoid any
suggestion that the
default is ‘generic’ and
that anything else is a
‘carve-out’.</div>
</div>
<div>
<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">On the contrary,
nearly all categories
show specific
characteristics of their
own. These are not
‘carve outs’ but rather
distinct categories.</div>
</div>
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<div style="margin:0cm 0cm
0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Regards</div>
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21 Dec 2017, at
20:18, Emily
Barabas <<a
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div
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Working Group
members,<span
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<div
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0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">On
the 11 December
Working Group
call, the
co-chairs
invited Working
Group members to
provide input on
two items over
the mailing
list. This note
serves as a
reminder of the
issues for which
they are seeking
comments. <span
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</div>
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<div>
<div
style="margin:0cm
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0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">On
the call, the WG
reviewed the
status of
conversations
regarding
potential TLD
types/categories
for subsequent
procedures (<a
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline"
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mA_hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJffzJAAhEvNlA/edit#gid=0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>spreadsheets/d/1mA_<wbr>hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJff<wbr>zJAAhEvNlA/edit#gid=0</span></a>).
Your input is
encouraged on
the following
questions:<span
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</div>
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<div
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<b>Date:<span
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Notes and
Action Items -
New gTLD
Subsequent
Procedures PDP
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high-level notes
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