<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear All, </div><div>First of all Happy new years to all .</div><div><br></div><div>While I agree with Christopher and Vanda ,in principle , however, this should be further explored and discussed</div><div>.</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Rubens Kuhl <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br" target="_blank">rubensk@nic.br</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="-ms-word-wrap: break-word;"><div><br></div>Vanda,<div><br></div><div>I believe Katrin and Maxim were disagreeing with Christopher; just for clarity, do you believe that GeoTLDs should be required to be non-profit operations and have registration restrictions (like Christopher suggested) or to not have any of such requirements (like Katrin and Maxim suggested) ? </div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Rubens</div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Em 28 de dez de 2017, à(s) 17:52:000, Vanda Scartezini <<a href="mailto:vanda@scartezini.org" target="_blank">vanda@scartezini.org</a>> escreveu:</div><br class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-interchange-newline"><div><span style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important;white-space:normal;font-variant-caps:normal">Totally agree with Christopher, the cities in my country are not to intend to be not for profit </span><br style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;font-variant-caps:normal"><br style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;font-variant-caps:normal"><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;font-variant-caps:normal">Vanda Scartezini<div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div>Sorry for typos </div></div><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;font-variant-caps:normal"><br>On 28 Dec 2017, at 11:11, Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON GmbH <<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:ohlmer@dotzon.com" target="_blank">ohlmer@dotzon.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;font-variant-caps:normal" type="cite"><div><div class="m_1144979958401643495WordSection1"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span>+1<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span>BG,<br>Katrin<br><br><u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">DOTZON GmbH - digital identities for tomorrow<br>Akazienstrasse 28<br>10823 Berlin<br>Deutschland - Germany<br>Tel: <a href="tel:+49%2030%2049802722" target="_blank" value="+493049802722">+49 30 49802722</a><br>Fax: <a href="tel:+49%2030%2049802727" target="_blank" value="+493049802727">+49 30 49802727</a><br>Mobile: <a href="tel:+49%20173%202019240" target="_blank" value="+491732019240">+49 173 2019240</a><br><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:ohlmer@dotzon.consulting" target="_blank">ohlmer@dotzon.consulting</a><br><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="http://www.dotzon.consulting/" target="_blank">www.dotzon.consulting</a><br></span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:7.5pt"><br>DOTZON GmbH<br>Registergericht: Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg, HRB 118598<br>Geschäftsführer: Katrin Ohlmer<br>Sitz der Gesellschaft: Akazienstrasse 28, 10823 Berlin</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);border-top-width:1pt"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><b>Von:</b><span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg [<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im Auftrag von<span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Maxim Alzoba<br><b>Gesendet:</b><span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span>Donnerstag, 28.<span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span><span lang="EN-US">Dezember 2017 08:05<br><b>An:</b><span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank">lists@<wbr>christopherwilkinson.eu</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Betreff:</b><span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Dear Cristopher, <u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I do not think we need to prescribe the form of the entities for GEOs.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Legal form of GEO applicant does not have to be non-for profit (it does not work in cases. where  municipal entity decides to run tender, where the highest bidder is allowed<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">to have a letter of support from the city). Also costs are also the same (except for taxation) for commercial entities.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">And since municipal entities represent large populations of people (and usually heads of cities are elected),<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> they represent public interest in GEOs, and non non-for profits applying for the job.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">In the cases where the municipal entity acts on it's own as an applicant - they can not be non-for profit and also can not follow<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">all the text in the RA (after all cities follow national law, which usually is quite prescriptive in the areas of what cities can and can not do).<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">As for Registration Restrictions - not necessary GEOs will use it (they are already limited by the local persons interest (most probably citizens of other areas do not need it)<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">, and there is no need to make it worse).<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">If an entity can not bear the costs, it does not matter, which legal form was used before it<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">loses ability to run Registry business, so I am not sure why we need to have two different approaches to the evaluation.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> Short list of costs: COI instrument, contracts with ISPs with DDoS protection, rack space for hardware in at least two datacenters, salary for engineers/office, Secondary DNS Anycast cloud services, office rent costs, legal advice cost - talking to ICANN Compliance might need it e.t.c ... or the procurement of all/some of  those services from the backend providers (RSPs).<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">My thinking is that financial model evaluation was more an abstract test then real model used later by Registries, so it is not known if it was useful, and audits of newly created legal entities can not show the future of the entity (though it might be helpful for old ones).<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">In the current round thorough research did not help with predictions of ICANN's actions / lack of actions and I do not think <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">that it will help in the next one.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Sincerely Yours,<br><br>Maxim Alzoba<br>Special projects manager,<br>International Relations Department,<br>FAITID<br><br>m. <a href="tel:+7%20916%20676-15-80" target="_blank" value="+79166761580">+7 916 6761580</a>(+whatsapp)<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">skype oldfrogger<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Current UTC offset: +3.00 (.Moscow)<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">On Dec 27, 2017, at 22:10,<span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu" target="_blank">lists@<wbr>christopherwilkinson.eu</a><span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Dear Emily:<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">1.<span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-tab-span">          <span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Re: Potential TLD types/categories<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">It is not clear what is meant by ‘carve-out’. Regarding Geo-Names, I consider that they should be generally Not for Profit, in the public interests in the areas that they serve. They would normally have Registration Restrictions, for instance, location based.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Regarding evaluation criteria, I consider that much more stringent economic considerations should be applied generally to ‘for profit’ proposals. This is not a ‘carve-out’ but a general requirement.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">2.<span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-tab-span">          <span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Framework of Predictability:<span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-tab-span">      <span class="m_1144979958401643495Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>I recall that during the previous round, a source of ‘unpredictability’ was the lack of understanding by applicants of the policy context with which they were engaging at local, national and international level.  For applicants to reduce unpredictability, I would recommend much more thorough research  before applying.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">In this context, the use of the word ‘generic’ is increasingly misleading. We should avoid any suggestion that the default is ‘generic’ and that anything else is a ‘carve-out’.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">On the contrary, nearly all categories show specific characteristics of their own. These are not ‘carve outs’ but rather distinct categories.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Regards<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Christopher Wilkinson<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">On 21 Dec 2017, at 20:18, Emily Barabas <<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank">emily.barabas@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Dear Working Group members,<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">On the 11 December Working Group call, the co-chairs invited Working Group members to provide input on two items over the mailing list. This note serves as a reminder of the issues for which they are seeking comments. <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">On the call, the WG reviewed the status of conversations regarding potential TLD types/categories for subsequent procedures (<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mA_hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJffzJAAhEvNlA/edit#gid=0" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>spreadsheets/d/1mA_<wbr>hTUhLhJSsfcmoQwREtUqxykZ5KfJff<wbr>zJAAhEvNlA/edit#gid=0</span></a>). Your input is encouraged on the following questions:<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Is it critical to carve out exceptions for some of the identified types? If so, what are the <b>pros/cons </b>for carving out specific mechanisms to accommodate any of the proposed types?<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">If there are <b>critical exceptions</b> needed for any of the proposed types, please help identify what they might be (e.g., applicant eligibility criteria, evaluation criteria/process, contractual requirements, etc.).<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">The WG touched briefly on the Framework for Predictability (<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lzXxBLMtFr03BKnHsa-Ss7kR7EAJt7pCI1EP3H81tfQ/edit#heading=h.8pcr95hvmmz" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/<wbr>1lzXxBLMtFr03BKnHsa-<wbr>Ss7kR7EAJt7pCI1EP3H81tfQ/edit#<wbr>heading=h.8pcr95hvmmz</span></a>), which is intended to balance ICANN Org’s ability to operate in an effective manner while ensuring the community is properly consulted when issues arise. Your input is requested on the following:  <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><span style="font-family:"MS Gothic"">
</span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">What are some use cases we can apply against the framework to test how it would work in practice?<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">For background, please see the attached slides for the call. In order to help the Working Group progress deliberations on this topic, please share your thoughts on the mailing list prior to the next full Working Group call on 8 January 2018.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Kind regards,<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Emily<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt"><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b><span style="font-size:12pt">From:<span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12pt">Gnso-newgtld-wg <<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</span></a>> on behalf of Emily Barabas <<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">emily.barabas@icann.org</span></a>><br><b>Date:<span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday 11 December 2017 at 12:11<br><b>To:<span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a><wbr>" <<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Dear Working Group members,<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Please find below notes and action items from the call today.  These high-level notes are designed to help Working Group members navigate through the content of the call and are not a substitute for the chat transcript or the recording. The call recording, call transcript, and chat transcript will soon be available here:<a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_SQxyB&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mBQzlSaM6eYCHFBU-v48zs-QSrjHB0aWmHuE4X4drzI&m=JEW8DnUXx2bEgewpLq4ebIZVMtuhZshCB5JwVdtHj4Y&s=pE0ABBF34dzGWetkfjMphb2NWNS_azPVgS-tWeASZUY&e=" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">https://community.icann.<wbr>org/x/SQxyB[community.icann.<wbr>org]</span></a>.<span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Some excerpts from the chat room are included in the notes. Please see the chat transcript for a full record of chat comments.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Slides are attached for reference.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Kind regards,<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Emily<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="border-style:none none solid;padding:0cm 0cm 1pt;border-bottom-color:windowtext;border-bottom-width:1pt"><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>ACTION ITEM: Co-Chairs will <wbr>contact Ombudsman regarding <wbr>concerns raised on this call.</b><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">1. SOI Updates<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- no updates<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">2. Work Track Updates<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Work Track 1 - next call on <wbr>19 Dec will cover systems, <wbr>communications, and <wbr>application queuing<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Work Track 2 - There was a <wbr>WT2 call last week which <wbr>covered Contractual <wbr>Compliance and TLD Rollout <wbr>and CC2 comments on these <wbr>topics. The next call is 21 <wbr>December - the call will <wbr>focus on reviewing strawman <wbr>recommendations prepared by <wbr>the co-leads.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Work Track 3 - Next meeting <wbr>is on 12 December at 15:00 <wbr>UTC. WT3 will discuss <wbr>Community Applications and <wbr>Objections.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Work Track 4 - Next meeting <wbr>will be 14 December at 3:00 <wbr>UTC. The call will focus on <wbr>the applicant reviews with a <wbr>focus on applicant financial <wbr>models. <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Work Track 5 - WT5 had a <wbr>meeting last Wednesday in <wbr>which it discussed the Terms <wbr>of Reference. In the next <wbr>meeting on 20 December, the <wbr>WT will do a second reading <wbr>on the TOR document.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Some GAC members were <wbr>surprised by the response to <wbr>the GAC conditions for <wbr>participation in WT5. The GAC <wbr>may provide a response on <wbr>this issue.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Request to return to issue <wbr>of participation model <wbr>contained in the Terms of <wbr>Reference on the upcoming <wbr>call.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Additional work will need <wbr>to be done to come to <wbr>agreement on the Terms of <wbr>Reference.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- There is a single <wbr>Chartering Organization in <wbr>the PDP, which is the GNSO. <wbr>Measures have been put into <wbr>place to ensure that all <wbr>voices are heard in WT5. <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Chat excerpt:<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>I do not <wbr>agree with your conclusions<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>The issue of <wbr>Georaphic name isc much <wbr>beyound the leadership of GNSO<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>The issue is <wbr>disagreement on whether PDP <wbr>is relevant here <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>There seems <wbr>to be that our concerns are <wbr>not heard<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Greg Shatan: </b>This is a GNSO <wbr>PDP Working Group. That is a <wbr>fundamental fact.  The issue <wbr>of gTLD policy is the raisin <wbr>d’etre for the GNSO.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>It is a <wbr>cross community issue and not <wbr>GNSO issue<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Greg Shatan: </b>That is <wbr>certainly your opinion, and <wbr>thank you for your personal <wbr>views.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>I am <wbr>speaking from my own side here<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Robin Gross: </b>We need to <wbr>follow the rules, not break <wbr>them in order to privilege <wbr>one of the groups that isn't <wbr>happy with them.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>WHAT Rules <wbr>Dear Mdam<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>MADAM'<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Maxim Alzoba  (FAITID ): </b>in <wbr>any case GEO TLDs had to <wbr>obtain letter of approval <wbr>from the relevant local/<wbr>federal governmental body<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Greg Shatan: </b>Robin, we don’t <wbr>know that any group is asking <wbr>for that. Only a single <wbr>member of a group.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Maxim Alzoba  (FAITID ): </b>or <wbr>letter of non objection from <wbr>the same governmental body<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>It is not <wbr>surprising that you want the <wbr>domination of GNSO with its <wbr>PDP Rules to be applied to <wbr>Geographic names<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Steve Chan: </b>As referenced by <wbr>Cheryl, GNSO Operating <wbr>Procedures, which are <wbr>inclusive of the GNSO Working <wbr>Group Guidelines and PDP <wbr>Manual: <a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_op-2Dprocedures-2D01sep16-2Den.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mBQzlSaM6eYCHFBU-v48zs-QSrjHB0aWmHuE4X4drzI&m=FN3L848cy2TmbBFv_xNVZIBUc--golVeGZZ7sSUJNxg&s=aqeivPdCVM1wsLkCttYXF2a-EUgTAXgXApliix4nTdU&e=" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">https://gnso.icann.<wbr>org/en/council/op-procedures-<wbr>01sep16-en.pdf[gnso.icann.org]</span></a><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>Geographic <wbr>names are not the property of <wbr>any group. It belongs to the <wbr>citizen of all countries<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Greg Shatan: </b>Cheryl is a <wbr>member of ALAC. Not sure how <wbr>that contributes to anyone’s <wbr>lack of surprise.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Martin Sutton: </b>@ Kavous - the <wbr>GNSO is the vehicle for <wbr>addressing the policy issue <wbr>but allows all to be involved.<wbr> All concerns and views are <wbr>taken into consideration. <wbr>Ultimately, all of the 4 <wbr>leading groups and other <wbr>advisory groups will have <wbr>further opportunities to <wbr>comment on any output from <wbr>WT5.  <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Greg Shatan: </b>Kavouss, your <wbr>personal views on that matter <wbr>have been amply stated and <wbr>heard.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>Dear Greg, <wbr>we have difference of view in <wbr>that subject<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- The unique nature of WT5 <wbr>was designed to provide <wbr>leadership balance in <wbr>recognition of the importance <wbr>of this issue in different <wbr>parts of the community<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">3. Overarching Issue: <wbr>Application Types<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Status Quo - Different <wbr>Types in 2012: Standard <wbr>application, community-based <wbr>application, geographic names,<wbr> specification 13 (.Brand)<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Chat excerpt: <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Kurt Pritz: </b>I think we might <wbr>distinquish between  the <wbr>policy-based (i.e., in the <wbr>Guidebook) categories: <wbr>Community and Geographic; vs <wbr>thise that were inserted via <wbr>independent discussion <wbr>afterward: <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Donna Austin, Neustar: </b>Can we <wbr>spell out NGPC please for <wbr>some that weren't around in <wbr>2012<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Steve Chan: </b>NGPC = New gTLD <wbr>Program Committee. Thanks <wbr>Donna for the reminder.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Heather Forrest: </b>I agree that <wbr>it is sensible to make the <wbr>distinction that Kurt has <wbr>raised between community <wbr>policy-based and independent <wbr>agreement<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>There is no <wbr>clear description on community<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>If there is <wbr>what is that?<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>There is <wbr>nalso no clear idea on how <wbr>communities requirements to <wbr>be compared with each other <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Kurt Pritz: </b>My point earlier <wbr>was that there is consensus <wbr>policy on geo and Community <wbr>categories and no consensus <wbr>policy on closed generics and <wbr>brands so the latter  "<wbr>categories" deseverve more <wbr>discussion and should not be <wbr>considered a status quo <wbr>consensus policy<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Work Track related efforts: <wbr>WT2 is considering Closed <wbr>Generics, WT3 is considering <wbr>Community applications, and <wbr>WT5 is considering Geographic <wbr>Names<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- On slide 6, AGB section 2.2.<wbr>1.4.2 is mentioned in the <wbr>slides, but additional <wbr>sections of the AGB also <wbr>address geographic names, and <wbr>these will also fall within <wbr>the scope of WT5 discussions. <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Chat excerpt:<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>Could one <wbr>consider drug traffic group <wbr>as a community?i<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Jim Prendergast: </b>While we did <wbr>have some lenghty disucssions <wbr>on closed generics in WT2, <wbr>there is still some healthy <wbr>oppostion to the concept so I <wbr>dont know how settled that <wbr>issue is.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Robin Gross: </b>I suppose a <wbr>pharmacy group could apply as <wbr>a community.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>Those issues <wbr>were written some 10 years <wbr>ago and situation has changed <wbr>drastically<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Maxim Alzoba  (FAITID ): </b>AGB <wbr>might change as result f some <wbr>PDP work<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Marc Palau: </b>What about family <wbr>names? that's not an strict <wbr>community<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Marc Palau: </b>like .kim<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Steve Chan: </b>@Kavouss, the <wbr>description of the AGB was to <wbr>set the stage and to identify <wbr>what took place in the 2012 <wbr>round. As Maxim notes, things <wbr>can change in the future as a <wbr>result of the work of this <wbr>PDP.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Maxim Alzoba  (FAITID ): </b>it <wbr>might depend on wealth of the <wbr>family <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Greg Shatan: </b>@Maxim, exactly; <wbr>that is why this PDP exists...<wbr>.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>Dear <wbr>Colleagues, I am eligible to <wbr>raise questions without being <wbr>criticized or repressed is it <wbr>not so?<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>avri doria: </b>Aren't there also <wbr>other conditions in the AGB <wbr>against crimminal behaviors <wbr>and activities?<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>We need to <wbr>revisit the definition of <wbr>community and revist various <wbr>categories of communioties as <wbr>they are not having the same <wbr>conditions<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Maxim Alzoba  (FAITID ): </b>I <wbr>think GAC advise might play <wbr>it's role irto prevent such <wbr>bad actor's communities<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>As soon as <wbr>we raise a legitimate <wbr>question , an valanch of <wbr>disagreement comes up without <wbr>giving a convincing argument<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Work Track 3 is still <wbr>working to define community. <wbr>One thing we can say <wbr>confidently is that however <wbr>we define community, it will <wbr>need to be in support of the <wbr>public interest. <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- There are conditions in the <wbr>AGB against criminal <wbr>activities. <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- If there is no consensus on <wbr>recommendations for change in <wbr>this PDP, the status quo <wbr>remains.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Review of attributes for <wbr>current application types.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Null Hypothesis: If we <wbr>changed nothing in the <wbr>approach to categories in the <wbr>AGB for Subsequent Procedures,<wbr> would there be a problem?<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- We may not need new <wbr>categories, but there may <wbr>need to be tweaks to the AGB <wbr>regarding the relevant <wbr>sections of the guidebook<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- .Brands are not in <wbr>consensus policy, for example,<wbr> so we would need to tidy <wbr>that up. Discussions on <wbr>Closed Generics are still <wbr>underway.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Chat excerpt:<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Kurt Pritz: </b>If we change <wbr>nothing in the Guidebook, <wbr>there are no brand TLDs and <wbr>no restrictions on closed <wbr>generics - there is no <wbr>consensus policies on these<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Greg Shatan: </b>@Kurt, why would <wbr>keeping the status quo AGB <wbr>result in changes in <wbr>implementation?<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Greg Shatan: </b>We can add those <wbr>to consensus policy, but the <wbr>lack of consensus policy <wbr>doesn’t roll back <wbr>implementation.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- . Brands are not covered in <wbr>previous policy, so we would <wbr>need to work that into future <wbr>application processes<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Chat excerpt:<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Kurt Pritz: </b>@ Greg: Are you <wbr>advocating that the GB remail <wbr>silent on Brands and closed <wbr>generics but conducting the <wbr>round in the same way?<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Kurt Pritz: </b>I agree with <wbr>Martin - the next round must <wbr>encourage innovation by <wbr>developing a flexible <wbr>approach to accommodating new <wbr>models<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Kurt Pritz: </b>I think <wbr>categorization is rigid and <wbr>exclusionary (is that a word)<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Martin Sutton: </b>Good point <wbr>Donna - I agree that <wbr>innovation should not be <wbr>stifled through <wbr>categorisation where it is <wbr>not needed<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Christopher Wilkinson: </b>@AGB <wbr>It is already clear that the <wbr>definition of Geo-Names and <wbr>associated decision making <wbr>policies will have to evolve<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- It is important to reflect <wbr>on what we witnessed in the <wbr>2012 Round. We cannot predict <wbr>everything. For any new types <wbr>that emerge, there will be an <wbr>opportunity to evolve the <wbr>system, but it is difficult <wbr>to predict this now.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- We should also include <wbr>generic as a category. It is <wbr>intentionally broad. There <wbr>were some things that <wbr>happened after the <wbr>application process closed <wbr>that had an impact, and <wbr>additional restrictions put <wbr>in place following GAC Advice.<wbr> There was no harm done by <wbr>not having additional <wbr>categories. <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- The GAC Advice could have <wbr>been viewed as restrictive <wbr>and reduced innovation<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- If we create too many rules <wbr>or parameters around <wbr>categories, we could further <wbr>stifle innovation. We don't <wbr>want to do that.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">-Slide 12: Preliminary List <wbr>of Types (beyond existing)<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> - Wouldn't it possible to <wbr>address differences in <wbr>different applications <wbr>through specifications to the <wbr>base agreement rather than <wbr>creating categories, since <wbr>these categories may have <wbr>overlapping requirements. <wbr>This seems to be a simpler <wbr>approach. Are there any <wbr>issues with this approach?<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Chat excerpt:<span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Robin Gross: </b>4 seems to lump <wbr>two different groups together.<wbr>  Highly regulated industries <wbr>have nothing to do with words <wbr>that others may be "sensitive"<wbr> to hearing.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Steve Chan: </b>@Robin, I believe <wbr>that lumping together carries <wbr>from GAC Advice. That of <wbr>course would not prevent this <wbr>WG from decoupling the two <wbr>types.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Robin Gross: </b>Thanks, Steve.  <wbr>I think we wouldn't want to <wbr>lump them together.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Kurt Pritz: </b>With regards to <wbr>status quo and Cheryl’s <wbr>mantra that if we don’t <wbr>arrive at a consensus for <wbr>change, we are left to the <wbr>stars quo: we don’t have a <wbr>policy on brands and closed <wbr>generics and they are not in <wbr>the Guidebook. It is not that <wbr>I am against Brand TLDs, it <wbr>is that I think the <wbr>accommodations provided <wbr>brands could also be afforded <wbr>that don’t own trademarks but <wbr>that deserve and need them <wbr>for there business model. <wbr>This should be discussed as a <wbr>consensus policy<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Agree that there may be <wbr>different applications that <wbr>warrant different provisions <wbr>that might not upset the <wbr>existing policy. It is <wbr>possible to provide <wbr>accommodations as needed for <wbr>applications where it is <wbr>appropriate. <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Chat excerpt: <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>I am <wbr>referring to decision making <wbr>process in Geo Names<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>kavouss Arasteh: </b>Is there any <wbr>hope that such concerns be <wbr>addressed?<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Donna Austin, Neustar: </b>@<wbr>Kavouss, it would be great if <wbr>you could give the process a <wbr>chance. <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Annebeth Lange,WT5: </b>The <wbr>problem, Kavouss, as I see it,<wbr> is that GNSO, according to <wbr>the bylaws of ICANN. is <wbr>responsible for the new gTLD <wbr>policy. So how to have a "<wbr>true" cross community PDP, I <wbr>am not sure how we can <wbr>achieve this under the <wbr>present bylaws. However, we <wbr>should try to trust the <wbr>process and see what can be <wbr>achieved.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Donna Austin, Neustar: </b>@<wbr>Annebeth, WT5 is a pro-active <wbr>attempt to have a true cross <wbr>community PDP and it is truly <wbr>appreciated that the SO/ACs <wbr>have responded positively to <wbr>the request to participate.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Annebeth Lange,WT5: </b>*Donna, I <wbr>agree. However, even if that <wbr>is what is the intention, <wbr>still many do not feel that <wbr>it is a "true" CCWG. I trust <wbr>the process, but there is <wbr>still a feeling of "someone <wbr>matters more than others" out <wbr>there, unfortunately.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Donna Austin, Neustar: </b>@<wbr>Annebeth, appreciate your <wbr>thoughts and hopefully we can <wbr>work together to dispell the <wbr>myths. <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- One of the challenges is <wbr>that there are 8 potential <wbr>types of TLDs in the slides, <wbr>and there would be more with <wbr>geo, communities, and brands. <wbr>If you develop different <wbr>policies for each type, the <wbr>administration will be <wbr>significant. It will be <wbr>harder to move through the <wbr>process in a streamlined <wbr>manner. It is also difficult <wbr>on the backend for <wbr>contractual compliance. <wbr>Should the group consider the <wbr>value, what are we trying to <wbr>achieve, and what the <wbr>potential impact will be.<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- The hope is that the full <wbr>group conversation will <wbr>provide additional input to <wbr>the WTs that are considering <wbr>some of the questions around <wbr>categorization<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Future Application Types - <wbr>Potential Attributes (slide <wbr>13)<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Attributes Matrix (slides <wbr>14, 15, 16)<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Pros and Cons of <wbr>categorization in general (<wbr>slide 17)<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- Homework (slide 18): Share <wbr>on the list if you believe it <wbr>is critical to carve out <wbr>exceptions for some of the <wbr>identified types. WG members <wbr>can help to identify pros/<wbr>cons for specific proposed <wbr>types and identify critical <wbr>exceptions for specific <wbr>proposed types<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- More homework (slide 20): <wbr>WG members are encouraged to <wbr>prposed use cases to test the <wbr>predictability framework. <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">. AOB<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">- none<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"> <span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>Emily Barabas<span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span></b>| Senior Policy Specialist<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><b>ICANN</b><span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span>| Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers<span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white">Email:<span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"> </span><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:emily.barabas@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(149,79,114)">emily.barabas@icann.org</span></a><span class="m_1144979958401643495apple-converted-space"><wbr> </span>| Phone: <a href="tel:+31%206%2084507976" target="_blank" value="+31684507976">+31 (0)6 84507976</a><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:white"><span style="font-size:12pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><Application Types_11Dec2017 v3.pdf><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:white">_______________________<wbr>________________________</span><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"><br><span style="background-color:white">Gnso-newgtld-wg mailing list</span><br></span><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(149,79,114);font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:white">Gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt"><br></span><a style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(149,79,114);font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10.5pt;background-color:white">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg</span></a><u></u><u></u></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">__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