<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I am a little late to the game here but support Jon and others on this issue and placing this report on the Panama City agenda.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[I am sure the working group leaders have been thinking this through but I have been wondering what will be discussed qt the ICANN meeting. If the report is locked down, then it is essentially in the public comment phase and should not be discussed. Is that thinking correct?]</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To take Jon’s suggestion a bit further, we could take advantage of the face-to-face, extended format and discuss substance of the report in addition to its accuracy as a reporting of the working group discussions. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here’s what I mean. The recent set of discussions has been restricted to whether the report accurately portrays the positions of each working group. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The discussions in Panama City could include that aspect but also include a substantive aspect where the working group meeting as a whole could give substantive guidance to the sub-teams discussing certain issues. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It would take some work to craft an agenda that might identify certain topics for substantive discussion. Time could be managed by limiting substantive discussion to certain topics that have been difficult such as application fees or objection processes. Each topic can be taken up during the corresponding review of that working group’s report.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Alternatively, as comments are made, substantive comments would be welcome and the chairs can record comments either as: (1) an adjustment to the report, or (2) as substantive advice to the working group for further discussions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In any event, we should take advantage of our collective presence to provide the best guidance available on issues with which the working groups have struggled. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thx & regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kurt</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 19, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Jon Nevett <<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email" class="">jon@donuts.email</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Jeff:</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">There are a number of examples, like this one, where I am hearing about last minute proposed improvements to the report. We should have the time in Panama to go through theses changes vs. on the fly now. </div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">I propose that we consider and make any final clarifications/improvements in Panama. We should lock down the report after Panama and then send it out for public comment. Locking it down before Panama would only prevent us from making final clarifications and improvements necessitating comments on stale or incorrect language. Wouldn't we be better off getting comments on a better version?</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Thx. </div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="">Jon</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="">On Jun 19, 2018, at 7:40 AM, Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" class="">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class=""><font face="Times New Roman" size="3" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""></a><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">All,</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">I think we can find a way to incorporate Kristina and Anne's comments because upon thinking about this, they are correct. Although the Guidebook uses the term "infringe" many times, technically, the Guidebook does not use an "infringement" standard in the supporting text. Perhaps generalizing the text to just ask if the standard that was applied was the correct one. So how about this:</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><ul style="margin: 0px; padding-left: 36pt;" class=""><font face="Arial" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><li class="">Should the standard for the Legal Rights Objection remain the same as in the 2012 round? Please explain.</li></span></font></ul><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">And we drop a footnote quoting section 3.5.2 in full as Anne did below.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Does that work?</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Jeffrey J. Neuman</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Senior Vice President |Valideus USA | Com Laude USA</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Mclean, VA 22102, United States</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">E:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com" class="">jeff.neuman@valideus.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" class="">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">T: +1.703.635.7514</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">M: +1.202.549.5079</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">@Jintlaw</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">-----Original Message-----<br class="">From: Gnso-newgtld-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl<br class="">Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 10:26 PM<br class="">To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" class="">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>><br class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] FW: Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 18 June 2018 at 15:00 UTC</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Anne,</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">The policy reads "Strings must not infringe the existing legal rights of others that are recognized or enforceable under generally accepted and internationally recognized principles of law."</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">(Source:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/new-gtlds/pdp-dec05-fr-parta-08aug07.htm" class="">https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/new-gtlds/pdp-dec05-fr-parta-08aug07.htm</a>)</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Anything different than that, including AGB which was supposed to be its implementation when it does not follow policy, is a change of GNSO policy.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">It also doesn't work picking 1 AGB reference when other 3 references in AGB say exactly what the GNSO policy says. We can't just pick references that go to one view and not the others from the same document.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Rubens</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> </span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> On 18 Jun 2018, at 23:00, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" class="">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Rubens,</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> This is definitely not a “change in policy” that Kristina and I are suggesting. The clear language of the AGB which codifies the grounds for the LRO is at 3.5.2 as follows:</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> 3.5.2 Legal Rights Objection</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> In interpreting and giving meaning to GNSO Recommendation 3 (“Strings<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> must not infringe the existing legal rights of others that are<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> recognized or enforceable under generally accepted and internationally<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> recognized principles of law”), a DRSP panel of experts presiding over<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> a legal rights objection will determine whether the potential use of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> the applied-for gTLD by the applicant takes unfair advantage of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> distinctive character or the reputation of the objector’s registered<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> or unregistered trademark or service mark (“mark”) or IGO name or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> acronym (as identified in the treaty establishing the organization),<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> or unjustifiably impairs the distinctive character or the reputation<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> of the objector’s mark or IGO name or acronym, or otherwise creates an<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> impermissible likelihood of confusion between the applied-for gTLD and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> the objector’s mark or IGO name or acronym.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Of Counsel</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> 520.629.4428 office</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> 520.879.4725 fax</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" class="">AAikman@lrrc.com</a></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> _____________________________</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> <image003.png></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Lewis Roca Rothgerber Christie LLP</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> One South Church Avenue, Suite 2000</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lrrc.com/" class="">lrrc.com</a></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> From: Rubens Kuhl [<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br" class="">mailto:rubensk@nic.br</a>]</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 6:06 PM</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> To: Aikman-Scalese, Anne</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Cc: Rosette, Kristina;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] FW: Proposed agenda - New gTLD<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 18 June 2018 at 15:00 UTC</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Anne and Kristina,</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> While we can reckon the actual standard used in 2012, we can't simply<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> ignore that we have</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> - The current applicable GNSO Recommendation (3) saying infringement</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> - Three AGB references using infringement</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> 3.2.1 Grounds for Objection</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Legal Rights Objection – The applied-for gTLD string infringes the existing legal rights of the objector.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> 3.2.2.2 Legal Rights Objection A rightsholder has standing to file a legal rights objection. The source and documentation of the existing legal rights the objector is claiming (which may include either registered or unregistered trademarks) are infringed by the applied-for gTLD must be included in the filing.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Attachment to Module 3</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Article 2 (e) (ii)</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> “Existing Legal Rights Objection” refers to the objection that the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> string comprising the potential new gTLD infringes the existing legal<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> rights of others</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> (not counting 3.5.2, where infringement is redefined to the criteria<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> actually used)</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> That means that in order to keep 2012 status-quo, the policy recommendation needs to be changed and AGB also needs to be changed.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> What I find curious is that ICANN's own Program Implementation Review failed to acknowledge this deviation from policy, and we probably need to state that somehow. Even if the PDP finds that it was for the better, and it looks that way to me, we shouldn't miss the learning that this mistake provided.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Rubens</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> On 18 Jun 2018, at 19:07, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" class="">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> I support Kristina’s comments shown in the attachment and note that she also states in her comment on page 10 that the LRO in 2012 was not an “infringement” standard. Kristina suggests in the attachment that we simply refer to the “standard used in 2012” if we are not willing to set out the three grounds set forth in the AGB and copied again below.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> This same reference to “infringement analysis” occurs on page 15 of draft Section 1.8 so the language there should be conformed to the language chosen for page 10.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Again, the standard for LRO from 2012 is as follows:</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> As provided for in section 3.5.2 of the ICANN Applicant Guidebook, the independent panel will determine whether the potential use of the applied-for gTLD by the applicant:</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> (i) takes unfair advantage of the distinctive character or the reputation of the objector’s registered or unregistered trademark or service mark (“mark”) or IGO name or acronym, or</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> (ii) unjustifiably impairs the distinctive character or the reputation of the objector’s mark or IGO name or acronym, or</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> (iii) otherwise creates an impermissible likelihood of confusion between the applied-for gTLD and the objector’s mark or IGO name or acronym.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Anne</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Anne E. Aikman-Scalese</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Of Counsel</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> 520.629.4428 office</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> 520.879.4725 fax</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" class="">AAikman@lrrc.com</a></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> _____________________________</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> <image003.png></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Lewis Roca Rothgerber Christie LLP</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> One South Church Avenue, Suite 2000</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Tucson, Arizona 85701-1611</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lrrc.com/" class="">lrrc.com</a></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> From: Gnso-newgtld-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Behalf Of Rosette, Kristina via Gnso-newgtld-wg</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 7:52 AM</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Subject: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] FW: Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Procedures PDP WG - 18 June 2018 at 15:00 UTC</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> This time with attachment. Apologies.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> From: Rosette, Kristina</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 10:51 AM</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Cc: 'Steve Chan' <<a href="mailto:steve.chan@icann.org" class="">steve.chan@icann.org</a>></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Subject: RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Procedures PDP WG - 18 June 2018 at 15:00 UTC</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> My comments and suggestions on 1.8 attached.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> From: Gnso-newgtld-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Behalf Of Steve Chan</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 1:25 PM</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Subject: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Procedures PDP WG - 18 June 2018 at 15:00 UTC</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Dear WG Members,</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> With apologies for the late delivery, please find the proposed agenda for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures WG meeting scheduled for 18 June 2018 at 15:00 UTC, for 90 minutes.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> • Agenda Review</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> • Roll Call/SOIs</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> • Review of the Initial Report (continued). * The purpose of this review is to ensure that preliminary outcomes and deliberations are accurately captured and written in an understandable manner. The WG Co-Chairs have sought to make clear that this exercise is not intended to re-open substantive discussions, which is better served by the submission of public comments and subsequently when reviewing public comments received. Please submit your comments about these sections to the Working Group mailing list (<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>) in advance of the meeting.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> • Review of Section 1.8 (Accountability Mechanisms)</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> • Review of Section 1.9 (Community Applications)</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> • Review of other sections in the Initial Report</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> • AOB</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> For Item 3, the relevant documents are attached. As a reminder, please note that a resource page has been set up on the Wiki to track the distribution of Initial Report sections, which you can find here:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/NwUhB" class="">https://community.icann.org/x/NwUhB</a>.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> For Item 4, you will find a draft of most of the other sections within the Initial Report, including the Preamble and the Executive Summary. You will see a placeholder in Section 2, which states, “Insert sections from the excerpts reviewed by Working Group…” – here, staff will insert the sections we have been reviewing for the last couple of months, inclusive of any changes as needed from discussions on calls and on list.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Those signed up as Members to this PDP WG should have received meeting information from the SOAC Support team. If you did not receive these participation details or if you would like to send your apologies, please contact the SOAC Support team (<a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org" class="">gnso-secs@icann.org</a>).</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Best,</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">> Steve</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="Calibri" size="2" class=""><span 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