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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rubens,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As you have noted, .home, .corp, and .mail are out of scope for the PDP so an edit to delete .mail from the last statement is inappropriate because you are
making a substantive comment on the risk associated with .mail.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As a compromise, I would suggest we delete the “such as” clause and simply say “</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Specifically,
the WG preliminarily supports efforts to develop a data-driven "Do Not Apply" list, which would seek to prevent names that represent
<span style="color:red">an unacceptable level of name collision risk</span>.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The above suggestion avoids a substantive comment on matters which are out of scope for this PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Gnso-newgtld-wg [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rubens Kuhl<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 20, 2018 9:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Recordings, attendance & AC chat from New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call on Monday, 17 September 2018 at 15:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">During that call, Jim asked why I suggested those edits to the SAC 090 response. I answered in the audio bridge but he preferred them in writing... here they are:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Regarding part 3) of the recommendations, the PDP WG considers .home, .corp. and .mail to be out of scope for New gTLD Subsequent Procedures, which is future looking in nature. In the course of deliberations on Name Collisions, in section 2.7.8 of the Initial
Report, the WG took SAC090 into account. The WG has not at this stage determined to formally recognize "private use" domains, though it provided preliminary recommendations on Name Collisions to seek to provide better guidance to applicants, while in large
part supporting the continued adherance to the framework utilized during the 2012 round. Specifically, the WG preliminarily supports efforts to develop a data-driven "Do Not Apply" list, which would seek to prevent names that represent a similar level of risk
to .home, .corp, and .mail for instance.<br>
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Regarding part 3) of the recommendations, the PDP WG considers .home, .corp. and .mail to be out of scope for New gTLD Subsequent Procedures, which is future looking in nature, except for items explicitly asked for in its charter (closed generics and name collisions
in legacy gTLDs). In the course of deliberations on Name Collisions, in section 2.7.8 of the Initial Report, the WG took SAC090 into account. The WG has not at this stage determined to formally recognize "private use" domains, though it provided preliminary
recommendations on Name Collisions to seek to provide better guidance to applicants, while in large part supporting the continued adherance to the framework utilized during the 2012 round. Specifically, the WG preliminarily supports efforts to develop a data-driven
"Do Not Apply" list, which would seek to prevent names that represent a similar level of risk to .home and .corp, for instance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The first change is to add that we do have two exceptions in SubPro were the charter is not forward-looking; those two have been debated in the discussion group and added to our charter, so we can and should comment about them, namely closed
generics and name collisions in legacy gTLDs. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The second change is based on the different views in the technical community as for the risk of .mail; a good number of people thinks that not-dotless .mail (which is a given since gTLDs do not allow dotless responses) does not pose the
same level of risk that .home and .corp do, although requiring some sort of mitigation process that is different from the standard framework. Just to remember, the standard framework actually requires a wildcard response, and that might activate, unless carefully
written DNS software is deployed, a dot-less response. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The differentiation of those two types of risk is already baked into SubPro recommendations, that specified both a "do not apply" and an "exercise care" list. The simpler change to match this is to remove the reference to .mail from the
text, since it's not even in our purview to decide the fate of .home, .corp and .mail. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Em 18 de set de 2018, à(s) 08:39:000, Michelle DeSmyter <<a href="mailto:michelle.desmyter@icann.org">michelle.desmyter@icann.org</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Please find the attendance and AC chat of the call attached to this email, and the MP3 and AC recording below for the New<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="spelle">gTLD</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Subsequent
Procedures Working Group call held on <span style="color:#333333;background:white">Monday, 17 September 2018 at 15:00 UTC.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Attendance of the calls is also posted on the agenda wiki page: <span class="apple-converted-space"> <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/aRhpBQ"><span style="color:#954F72">https://community.icann.org/x/aRhpBQ</span></a></span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">MP3: </span></b><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"><a href="https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-17sep18-en.mp3"><span style="color:#954F72">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-17sep18-en.mp3</span></a></span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Adobe Connect Recording:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"> <a href="https://participate.icann.org/p421jaknouc/"><span style="color:#954F72">https://participate.icann.org/p421jaknouc/</span></a></span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=OiU-h0Z-64UoNvH3LoeG_o396GU0v_p74rQIlQ2b1k8&s=Qgtj2RhJxG-FNLJaFth3Hsnwdxy6TX1m8E0ILcSJ0vI&e="><span style="color:purple">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar[gnso.icann.org]</span></a></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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