<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>During that call, Jim asked why I suggested those edits to the SAC 090 response. I answered in the audio bridge but he preferred them in writing... here they are:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" data-sheets-value="{"1":2,"2":"Regarding part 1) of the recommendation, as noted in the field above, the PDP WG has preliminarily agreed that Special-Use Domain Names established through the IETF RFC 6761 process should be reserved in future new gTLD processes.\n\nRegarding part 2) of the recommendation, the PDP WG believes that Special-Use Domain Names established through the IETF RFC 6761 process are exceptional in nature and limited in scope. The WG is not aware of any other lists of names that may warrant similar exclusion. \n\nRegarding part 3) of the recommendations, the PDP WG considers .home, .corp. and .mail to be out of scope for New gTLD Subsequent Procedures, which is future looking in nature. In the course of deliberations on Name Collisions, in section 2.7.8 of the Initial Report, the WG took SAC090 into account. The WG has not at this stage determined to formally recognize \"private use\" domains, though it provided preliminary recommendations on Name Collisions to seek to provide better guidance to applicants, while in large part supporting the continued adherance to the framework utilized during the 2012 round. Specifically, the WG preliminarily supports efforts to develop a data-driven \"Do Not Apply\" list, which would seek to prevent names that represent a similar level of risk to .home, .corp, and .mail for instance.\n\nRubens edit:\nRegarding part 3) of the recommendations, the PDP WG considers .home, .corp. and .mail to be out of scope for New gTLD Subsequent Procedures, which is future looking in nature, except for items explicitly asked for in its charter (closed generics and name collisions in legacy gTLDs). In the course of deliberations on Name Collisions, in section 2.7.8 of the Initial Report, the WG took SAC090 into account. The WG has not at this stage determined to formally recognize \"private use\" domains, though it provided preliminary recommendations on Name Collisions to seek to provide better guidance to applicants, while in large part supporting the continued adherance to the framework utilized during the 2012 round. Specifically, the WG preliminarily supports efforts to develop a data-driven \"Do Not Apply\" list, which would seek to prevent names that represent a similar level of risk to .home and .corp, for instance."}" data-sheets-userformat="{"2":961,"3":{"1":0},"9":0,"10":0,"11":4,"12":0}" class=""><br class="">Regarding part 3) of the recommendations, the PDP WG considers .home, .corp. and .mail to be out of scope for New gTLD Subsequent Procedures, which is future looking in nature. In the course of deliberations on Name Collisions, in section 2.7.8 of the Initial Report, the WG took SAC090 into account. The WG has not at this stage determined to formally recognize "private use" domains, though it provided preliminary recommendations on Name Collisions to seek to provide better guidance to applicants, while in large part supporting the continued adherance to the framework utilized during the 2012 round. Specifically, the WG preliminarily supports efforts to develop a data-driven "Do Not Apply" list, which would seek to prevent names that represent a similar level of risk to .home, .corp, and .mail for instance.<br class=""><br class="">Rubens edit:<br class="">Regarding part 3) of the recommendations, the PDP WG considers .home, .corp. and .mail to be out of scope for New gTLD Subsequent Procedures, which is future looking in nature, except for items explicitly asked for in its charter (closed generics and name collisions in legacy gTLDs). In the course of deliberations on Name Collisions, in section 2.7.8 of the Initial Report, the WG took SAC090 into account. The WG has not at this stage determined to formally recognize "private use" domains, though it provided preliminary recommendations on Name Collisions to seek to provide better guidance to applicants, while in large part supporting the continued adherance to the framework utilized during the 2012 round. Specifically, the WG preliminarily supports efforts to develop a data-driven "Do Not Apply" list, which would seek to prevent names that represent a similar level of risk to .home and .corp, for instance.</span><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The first change is to add that we do have two exceptions in SubPro were the charter is not forward-looking; those two have been debated in the discussion group and added to our charter, so we can and should comment about them, namely closed generics and name collisions in legacy gTLDs. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The second change is based on the different views in the technical community as for the risk of .mail; a good number of people thinks that not-dotless .mail (which is a given since gTLDs do not allow dotless responses) does not pose the same level of risk that .home and .corp do, although requiring some sort of mitigation process that is different from the standard framework. Just to remember, the standard framework actually requires a wildcard response, and that might activate, unless carefully written DNS software is deployed, a dot-less response. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The differentiation of those two types of risk is already baked into SubPro recommendations, that specified both a "do not apply" and an "exercise care" list. The simpler change to match this is to remove the reference to .mail from the text, since it's not even in our purview to decide the fate of .home, .corp and .mail. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rubens</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Em 18 de set de 2018, à(s) 08:39:000, Michelle DeSmyter <<a href="mailto:michelle.desmyter@icann.org" class="">michelle.desmyter@icann.org</a>> escreveu:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Dear All,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="" class="">Please find the attendance and AC chat of the call attached to this email, and the MP3 and AC recording below for the New<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="spelle">gTLD</span><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Monday, 17 September 2018 at 15:00 UTC.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class="">Attendance of the calls is also posted on the agenda wiki page: </span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""> </span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/aRhpBQ" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://community.icann.org/x/aRhpBQ</a></span></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p style="line-height: 15.6pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">MP3: </span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""> </span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""><a href="https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-17sep18-en.mp3" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-17sep18-en.mp3</a></span></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="line-height: 15.6pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class="">Adobe Connect Recording:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><b class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""> </span></b></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""> </span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p421jaknouc/" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://participate.icann.org/p421jaknouc/</a></span></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="line-height: 15.6pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class="">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=OiU-h0Z-64UoNvH3LoeG_o396GU0v_p74rQIlQ2b1k8&s=Qgtj2RhJxG-FNLJaFth3Hsnwdxy6TX1m8E0ILcSJ0vI&e=" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar[gnso.icann.org]</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class="">** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class="">Mailing list archives: <a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg/" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg/</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class="">Main wiki page for the working group: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_RgV1Aw&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=iJualA3aaAP3HvWGmfE6gT1MdEJjuDi1LhWRQ7z9w_g&s=eFswUfJ99UxF4CvxlutDiQOHbWrjwHkpoOMcLMqiR3w&e=" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">https://community.icann.org/x/RgV1Aw [community.icann.org]</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class="">Thank you.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class="">Kind regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class="">Michelle</span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""> </span></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard, serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-variant-caps: normal; text-align: start; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px;" class=""><span style="" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><span id="cid:CE8B95F4E42F9B43B256EB8FB242A09D@pexch112.icann.org"><Attendance & AC chat Sub Pro 17 Sep 2018 .pdf></span><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); 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