<html><body><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua; color:#000; font-size:10pt;"><div>Thanks Julie.</div><div>Jamie</div>
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Subject: Re: [Ext] RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New<br>
gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 25 March 2019<br>
From: Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>><br>
Date: Mon, March 25, 2019 2:49 pm<br>
To: Jamie Baxter <<a href="mailto:jamie@dotgay.com">jamie@dotgay.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>"<br>
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</style> <div class="WordSection1"> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;">Hi Jamie,<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;">As noted below, the notes are high level and <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> are not a substitute for the recording, transcript, or the chat. The chat is captured separately and posted to the wiki, so your comments will appear there. For today’s meeting see the link on the wiki at: <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/104237908/Attendance%20%26%20AC%20chat%20Sub%20Pro%2025%20March%202019%20.pdf?version=2&modificationDate=1553535643000&api=v2">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/104237908/Attendance%20%26%20AC%20chat%20Sub%20Pro%2025%20March%202019%20.pdf?version=2&modificationDate=1553535643000&api=v2</a>. While staff may endeavor to capture relevant comments from the chat during the meeting, we may miss some chat comments, hence our request that the WG should reference the recording, transcript, and chat.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Julie</span><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jamie Baxter <<a href="mailto:jamie@dotgay.com">jamie@dotgay.com</a>><br> <b>Date: </b>Monday, March 25, 2019 at 2:40 PM<br> <b>To: </b>Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a>><br> <b>Subject: </b>[Ext] RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 25 March 2019<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:black">Thank you for the recap Julie.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:black">Could I request that the Adobe chat discussion be reviewed a second time as it apparently did not capture my response to Donna Austin's comment in <u>2.3.e.2</u> below, which was "Put a clock on the complete comment process." If there is a reason it was not captured in the recap record please advice. If you are unable to revisit the chat to pull my response I would be happy to restate it for the working group.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:black">Much thanks<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:black">Jamie<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" id="replyBlockquote"> <div id="wmQuoteWrapper"> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-------- Original Message --------<br> Subject: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent<br> Procedures PDP WG - 25 March 2019<br> From: Julie Hedlund <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext">julie.hedlund@icann.org</span></a>><br> Date: Mon, March 25, 2019 2:15 pm<br> To: "<a target="_blank" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a>" <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Dear Working Group members,<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Please see below the notes from the meeting today, 25 March 2019. These high-level notes are designed to help WG members navigate through the content of the call and are not a substitute for the recording, transcript, or the chat, which will be posted at: <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/2019-03-25+New+gTLD+Subsequent+Procedures+PDP" target="_blank"> <u><span style="color:blue">https://community.icann.org/display/NGSPP/2019-03-25+New+gTLD+Subsequent+Procedures+PDP</span></u></a>. <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Please also see the referenced document at: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1Ea-2DCjtL-2DheQjEwTesr7MYC-5F8gFEvmhY8XBCWTvoan6g_edit-23gid-3D2003620097&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=adDIs0WEx_lLwFfrsdovxTYY8GkRHo5ibc8SR3Npdh8&m=fTkWEjyuWlK83dNahdzDYKMfRh6zN6r2W_-_2tRYtnU&s=brZKszieCh6TQzyKWNDy7_Yl7CddaiUe9zUgOW1s5hk&e=" target="_blank"> <u><span style="color:blue">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ea-CjtL-heQjEwTesr7MYC_8gFEvmhY8XBCWTvoan6g/edit#gid=2003620097 [docs.google.com]</span></u></a>. <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Julie<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Julie Hedlund, Policy Director<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Notes and Action Items:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Actions:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">2.4 Change Requests:<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">ACTION ITEM 1: Line 5 BC comments -- Seek clarification re: New Idea.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">ACTION ITEM 2: Consider how to address role of the IRT in our recommendations.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Notes:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">1. Updates to Statements of Interest (SOIs): No updates provided.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">2. Brief Review of ICANN64 New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG Activity -- Update on comments on the list:<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- How do we take the comments that we've gotten and work towards getting to final recommendations?<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Should some of this go out for public comment?<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Update from ICANN64 and Subsequent Comments on the List:<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- At ICANN64 covered recommendations where there seemed to be broad agreement.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- No intent to have different meaning from what has already been discussed and commented on.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Try to avoid drafting exact wording but focus on agreeing on the content.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Avoid focusing on labels (i.e., "New Idea"). There may be additional meaning in "New Idea" than what was intended. Not that this is a New Idea that no one has thought of, but it is new in that it was not mentioned in the Supplemental Initial Report. Label shouldn't be used for anything else.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- If an idea gets acceptance from the WG that will shape the recommendations and be used to measure consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Board Resolution: approved the latest plan for NCAP Study 1. Need to address that the study is ongoing. Number of different scenarios.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- In discussion of comments, be as specific as possible (and seek clarfication) and also be constructive in suggesting solutions.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Question arose re: autofill in applications -- that both comments could be labeled as "New Idea". Sometimes something that could be characterized as a "New Idea" is actually dissent from the recommendation, so a lack of consent. So not accurate to be listed as a "New Idea".<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- There was no intent at ICANN64 to characterize something that was dissent as a "New Idea". But a "New Idea" may not mean that it couldn't become the new WG consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- A New Idea is something that we didn't do originally; also, will we adopt new ideas without putting them out for public comment.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- "New Idea" meant something that wasn't part of the WG recommendations; but unlikely to be something that was done in 2012 -- although theoretically possible.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- WG role is to identify what we can live with and if we have a recommendation that is different from previously then that goes out for public comment.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Question: Re: the Board's referral to the SubPro WG via resolution re: CCT-RT recommendations: How will we be treating that? Do we say we've considered them? Answer: SubPro took the items referred to us from the CCT-RT and we included those in the Initial Report and addressed in the comments analysis.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">From the Chat:<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Anne Aikman-Scalese - screen 2: COMMENT: Re Work Plan - June 17 listed as date we determine whether additional public comment is needed - for limited topics. It seems quite clear that it will be needed - for example, the discussion of "when a round closes" raised a lot of questions which should be put out for public comment. In addition, the Neustar proposal re "windows" also would need to go out for public comment.COMMENT<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair): Thanks Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): I agree with Donna - the topics will be limited. The WG has the responsibility to make determinations on existing work.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair): thus our frequent refrain of 'everything going back to the plenary/full WG in the Sub Team reviews of the PC's received<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): COMMENT: At this point, CCT-RT is not a "discussion", there are actual Resolutions by the Board. We should take a look at the references to Sub Pro. COMMENT<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">3. Review of comments - Supplemental Initial Report: see the document at: <a target="_blank" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1Ea-2DCjtL-2DheQjEwTesr7MYC-5F8gFEvmhY8XBCWTvoan6g_edit-23gid-3D2003620097&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=adDIs0WEx_lLwFfrsdovxTYY8GkRHo5ibc8SR3Npdh8&m=fTkWEjyuWlK83dNahdzDYKMfRh6zN6r2W_-_2tRYtnU&s=brZKszieCh6TQzyKWNDy7_Yl7CddaiUe9zUgOW1s5hk&e="> <u><span style="color:blue">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ea-CjtL-heQjEwTesr7MYC_8gFEvmhY8XBCWTvoan6g/edit#gid=2003620097 [docs.google.com]</span></u></a> [<a target="_blank" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__docs.google.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=adDIs0WEx_lLwFfrsdovxTYY8GkRHo5ibc8SR3Npdh8&m=fTkWEjyuWlK83dNahdzDYKMfRh6zN6r2W_-_2tRYtnU&s=Y_8h9rDw2CfH5OkofUUH-qEiFOowRTJLgN3dPhUgzkE&e="><u><span style="color:blue">docs.google.com [docs.google.com]</span></u></a>]: 2.3: Role of Application Comment (start at line 37, 2.3.e.2); 2.4 Change Requests<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">2.3 Role of Application Comment</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">2.3.e.2</span></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">:<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Line 38,-40 BRG, IPC, RrSG -- Agreement (supports the recommendation)<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Line 41, RySG -- Agreement (but with verification)<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Line 42, NCSG -- Agreement (but public must be allowed to respond to commenters responses)<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Line 43, dotgay LLC -- Divergence (disagrees with the premise of the question)<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- It is incorrect to say that everyone had a change to respond to clarifying questions -- the assumption is incorrect. It isn't including community priority evaluations as part of evaulations. CPE needs to be part of that consideration (to the regular public comment period or any public comment period). Agree that applicants should have an opportunity to respond, in regular public comment period and in the CPE public comment period.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Any letter of opposition needs to be considered a public comment -- if not then it doesn't fall into this category.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Keep as divergence from the notion that letters of opposition where given the opportunity for public comment, but new idea that all public comment periods adopt this proposal, include CPE.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Line 44, ALAC - Divergence (disagrees that this is an issue to be addressed)<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- ALAC doesn't oppose the opportunity to respond to public comments, but we don't think this is an issue so long as the opportunity is available.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- How do the evaluators take into account responses received in public comment? Also, the responses from applicants after the end of the public comment period? There should be guidance.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- If the public comment arrives days before you start CPE or entered CPE there has to be a mechanism for the applicant to be able to respond; otherwise it can result in gaming (sending in a comment as late as possible to prevent a response).<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Implementation Team may need to look at the timing.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Agreement that applicants should have the ability to respond.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- NCSG: Not only should applicants be allowed to respond, but the commenter should be allowed to respond.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">From the Chat:<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Anne Aikman-Scalese - screen 2: QUESTION: How will CPE evaluation proceed with further exchanges of public comment? (which is a good idea) QUESTION<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Justine Chew: +1 Jamie. IMO what Jamie has raised is a good example of a "New Idea".<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Maxim Alzoba: what to do if the particular comment is not relevant to the appliaction? <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Justine Chew: @jeff, I'm not sure I got what you said entirely. ALAC supported the additional time period, I think we suggested 7 days, for applicants to respond to late comments/CQs.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Maxim Alzoba: not necessary last minute comments are done on purpose (sometimes it is a nature of the processes , when everybody does not have time), but having a lot of work in last minute does not work <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Justine Chew: @Maxim, I agree with you, but still should be afforded time to respond to by applicant.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Donna Austin, Neustar: Applicants should have adequate opportunity to respond to comments.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Jamie Baxter | dotgay: @Maxim - in our case, there was over 2 years to comment, including the ICANN public comment period and the objection process, so it's highy unlikely it was by chance.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Donna Austin, Neustar: Put a clock on the complete comment process.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Susan Payne: then you have to go back to the applicant again - where does it end:)<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">2.3.e.3</span></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">: <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Lines 46-53, dotgay LLC. BRG, ALAC, ALAC, IPC, RySG, NCSG, RrSG -- Agreement (Support for the recommendation)<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">2.4 Change Requests</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">General Comments</span></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">:<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Line 4, ALAC -- Agreement (supports 2.4.c.1, 2.4.d.1, 2.4.e.1.1, 2.4.e.2)<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Line 5, BC -- Agreement (2.4.c.1: guidance for changes, public comment needed in certain cases) New Idea (changes to strings allowed only if not applied for, application should be treated as new, cost borne by applicant)<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- ACTION ITEM: Seek clarification from the BC re: New Idea.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- -- Also add NCSG comments as dissention (but included below).<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Question: If there are these other types, is it something that the NCSG would approve? Answer: Yes. Just not changes to the string.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Line 6, RySG -- Agreement (2.4.d.1) New Idea<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Need to discuss this New Idea with the WG.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Do we have a view of whether IRTs have input into changes to the AGB? See guidance from the Council? For recent IRTs (thick WHOIS, IGO/INGO) where policy is drafted with IRT the language is published for public comment. So, proposed changes to the AGB would go out for public comment. Get clarification on whether exact language goes out for public comment. Depends on whether it is policy or implementation guidance. IRTs should not be able to change policy (though not in scope for this WG).<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Anne Aikman-Scalese - screen 2: COMMENT: I would assume that IRT will have input on the final draft of the AGB. That was my question. Naturally, the AGB will go out for public comment either way. COMMENT <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Steve Chan: @Anne, recent IRTs have a role in developing and agreeing to proposed policy language so one could assume that the IRT would provide input to the AGB?<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair): @Donna correct me if I am wrong here but we did in the development of IRT Guidelines make specific points on when an IRT is expected to 'go back' to a PDP process/ out for more public inut did we not??? <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Martin Sutton: NCSG comments are included in the specific questions further on<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Martin Sutton: can we cover when we reach each comment?<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Susan Payne: to be fair if we in SubPro make a rule that allows for this string change then this wouldn't be a "breach of the rules" as the NCSG states<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Donna Austin, Neustar: @Kathy, what's the basis of your claim of 20,000 applications? I don't dispute that there is deman, but I'd be interested to know what you're basing the 20,000 number on.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Kristine Dorrain: @Susan, yes, we're discussing changing the rules.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Kathy Kleiman: @Donna - gut sense. Also that we expected 500 in the first round and received 4 times that. I'm hearing 5000 projected by many people for the next round and, based on the past, I would predict 5000*4. What's your expectation?<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Maxim Alzoba: I am not sure we need to use it as a fact based input<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Jean Guillon - Jovenet Consulting: @Donna: Law firms talk a lot here in France. Most have no knowledge about new gTLDs but the number that I received twice was 200 (all kinf of TLDs included).<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Steve Chan: The beginning of Question 2.4.d.1 reads: One of the types of changes that some members of the Working Group believe should be allowed are certain application changes intended to resolve string contention. For example, if there is string contention and each of the applicants in a contention set agree, then applicants should be allowed to 1) create joint ventures or 2) have a limited ability to select a different string, which must be closely related to the original string.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair): flow charts<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO - PDP Co-Chair): even<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Jamie Baxter | dotgay: I would hope that the IRT will also have ovesight to ensure language of final the AGB is implement as stated - for example from 2012 round - prevent ICANN from keeping the public comment period open as long as they did despite the language containted in the AGB that clearly indicated it had an end date.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Donna Austin, Neustar: I believe so Cheryl, the challenge is with interpretation and staff manage the IRT not the community. So things can get tricky. <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Maxim Alzoba: implementation is what ICANN staff does the way they see fit<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Steve Chan: FWIW, the standing IRT proposed by this Working Group would only be in effect AFTER program launch. There was no overlap envisioned with the standard IRT.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Anne Aikman-Scalese - screen 2: COMMENT: IRT should be involved in Implementation Guidance all the way. COMMENT<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Anne Aikman-Scalese - screen 2: COMMENT: The key to this is having broad recommendation on the IRT as specifiied in the GNSO Operating Procedures, including appropriate technical expertise. COMMENT<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">2.4.c.1</span></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">: <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Lines 8-13, BRG, ALAC, IPC, RySG, ALAC, NCSG -- Agreement<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Line 14, GAC -- Agreement New Idea<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Line 15, BC -- Agreement New Idea (changes to strings allowed only if not applied for, application should be treated as new, cost borne by applicant)<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Go back to the role of the IRT -- don't agree that if it is implementation guidance it's up to ICANN Org to implement it.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Policy recomendations are "you must do this" and implementation guidance is "you should do this).<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">ACTION ITEM: How to address role of the IRT in our recommendations.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">-- Start on line 16, 2.4.d.1 for 01 April 2019.<o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="font-size:12pt;text-align:center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> <hr size="0" width="100%" align="center"> </span></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">_______________________________________________<br> Gnso-newgtld-wg mailing list<br> <a target="_blank" href="mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"><u><span style="color:blue">Gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</span></u></a><br> <a target="_blank" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg"><u><span style="color:blue">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg</span></u></a> <o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> </blockquote> </div>
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