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Following the email thread, it appears Alexander is focused on the term “Generic String TLD” referred to in Spec 13 but ignoring the definition quoted within Spec 11 that directly relates to this. I can see that Rubens has referred to this in his earlier response
but wanted to flag again as Alexander seems to have ignored this in subsequent replies.
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On 14 Aug 2019, at 22:41, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#993366">.Brands have Spec 13 because they are not selling to the public. They are not in the business of selling domain names. That is why they are simpler. In truth, there should be a separate department for processing
.BRAND applications because they are much simpler and far fewer consumer issues at stake.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#993366"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#993366">It would make no sense to apply Spec 13 to entities that are selling domain names.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#993366"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">No one decided that brands could not apply if the brand happened to also be a word that was generic for SOME OTHER good or service. If someone else applied for the generic meaning of the word, then the brand
lost. I hope you are not suggesting that Apple shouldn’t have .apple because it happens to be a fruit? There are so many different possible new gTLDs available that I think it is wrong to conclude that this confers “monopoly” of some sort. What about .applegrowers
or .buyapples or .gotapples .appleorchard or .loveapples.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">VISA is clearly a worldwide well-known brand for its global payment technology/credit card services. <a href="https://usa.visa.com/legal/visa-nic.html"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://usa.visa.com/legal/visa-nic.html</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As far as I know, no one applied for a “generic” .visa or .visas gTLD.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">ORANGE is a very well-known brand for Internet services based in France but operating in many countries. It is not for oranges.
<a href="https://www.orange.com/en/nic/domains"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://www.orange.com/en/nic/domains</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I am guessing no one applied for oranges as a generic. Otherwise they would have won.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The big gaming issue in the next round is the question whether someone applies for the generic version of a TLD if they know a brand that has a name that can be construed as generic will or may be applying.
If application fees come way down in future, I could spend $50,000 (plus some fees to write up an application and get a pre-qualified Registry Services Provider in place) and then hope the brand (that happens to have a generic name that is fanciful as to its
products) and gamble on the brand(s) me out for much bigger money. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1F497D">As application fees come down and associated operational plans are standardized, we are not far from a time when well-funded players could speculate in new gTLD names. </span></b><span style="color:#993366"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#993366">Anne<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marc Trachtenberg via Gnso-newgtld-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 14, 2019 2:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] - Specification 13<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alex,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I don’t understand your question. Yes it is correct that ONLY trademark based applications can qualify for Spec 13 and that applications based on generic terms cannot. However,
I never said that trademark applications based on “generic terms” can’t qualify for Spec 13. I quoted directly from Spec 13 which said that generic TLDs will not qualify. Trademarks, by their nature, are not generic because they do not describe a category
of goods and services – they are in indicator of source. Just because the word or words in a trademark could be generic in one context does not mean they cannot be trademarks in another- e.g. VISA for credit cards and ORANGE for telecom services. ‘protectable
under applicable law” generally would mean national law but could also be international law as in the case of regional trademarks or famous marks that are protected by treaty or statute. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#003359">Marc H. Trachtenberg</span></b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
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Tel 312.456.1020 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alexander Schubert<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 14, 2019 4:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] - Specification 13<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marc,<span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If I understand correctly then ONLY trademark based applications can have a Spec 13; right?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You claimed in your initial posting that TM applications based on "generic terms" can't get a Spec 13!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Are you standing by this claim - or not? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also "protectable under applicable law" - does that mean "national law" - as in law in the jurisdiction of the country the string is trademarked in?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Alexander<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: <a href="mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com">trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com</a> <br>
Date: 8/14/19 21:16 (GMT+02:00) <br>
To: <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>, <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">
gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a> <br>
Subject: RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] - Specification 13 <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alex,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">These applications are for trademarks, not generic terms, and at least VISA and DISCOVER are famous and well-known brand across the globe. You might even have one in your
wallet.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Shareholder </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:black">Greenberg Traurig, LLP | 77 West Wacker Drive | Suite 3100 | Chicago, IL 60601<br>
Tel 312.456.1020 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:black">Mobile 773.677.3305</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alexander Schubert<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 14, 2019 10:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] - Specification 13</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Marc,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I might misinterpret your suggestion – but you are saying there are no generic term based applications such as “smart”, “visa” or “discovery” have a Spec 13 in
their contract? (I checked these three – and they seem to have a Spec 13 in their contracts – I assume when checking all the other generic keyword based applications the same will occur).<br>
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And well: You need to register with the TM Clearinghouse: easy thing to do; the hurdles for that are very low (I have done TMCH applications for trademarks). Plus I am taking about a “real brand” – albeit a small one. So a small shoe brand “SHANGHAI” will easily
meet all requirements for a spec 13. In my mind – please correct me if I am wrong.<br>
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Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Alexander</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com">trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com</a> [<a href="mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com">mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 14. August 2019 17:51<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] - Specification 13</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alexander,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please also note that Spec 13 does not require just “some trademark registration” and specifically excludes generic string TLDs. Christopher conveniently “forgot” to point
out that Section 9.3 of Spec 13 requires:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">(i) the TLD string is identical to the textual elements protectable under applicable law, of a registered trademark valid under applicable law, which registered trademark:
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<p class="Default" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">a. is recorded with, and issued a signed data mark file by, the Trademark Clearinghouse or any successor or alternative trademark validation authority appointed by ICANN, if such trademark
meets the eligibility requirements of such validation authority (provided that Registry Operator is not required to maintain such recordation for more than one year);
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<p class="Default" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">b. is owned and used by the Registry Operator or its Affiliate in the ordinary course of Registry Operator’s or its Affiliates’ business in connection with the offering of any of the
goods and/or services claimed in the trademark registration; </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:1.0in;page-break-before:always"><span style="font-size:11.5pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:1.0in;page-break-before:always"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">c. was issued to Registry Operator or its Affiliate prior to the filing of its TLD registry application with ICANN;
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<p class="Default" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">d. is used throughout the Term continuously in the ordinary course of business of Registry Operator or its Affiliate in connection with the offering of any of the goods and/or services
identified in the trademark registration; </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">e. does not begin with a period or a dot; and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">f. is used by Registry Operator or its Affiliate in the conduct of one or more of its businesses that are unrelated to the provision of TLD Registry Services; and
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<p class="Default" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">(ii) only Registry Operator, its Affiliates or Trademark Licensees are registrants of domain names in the TLD and control the DNS records associated with domain names at any level in
the TLD; </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">(iii) the TLD is not a Generic String TLD (as defined in Specification 11); and
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">(iv) Registry Operator has provided ICANN with an accurate and complete copy of such trademark registration.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alexander Schubert<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 14, 2019 9:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] - Specification 13</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0E0E3F">*EXTERNAL OF GT*</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Don’t forget: I am ALL FOR famous (well known) TMs to be able to secure their brand as gTLD! I just think for generic term-based and geo name--based strings
a spec 13 application (which locks out the general public) should meet WAY higher hurdles than just “some trademark registration”.<br>
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Otherwise: Yes, I have grossly simplified the rather complex intellectual property rights cloud. There are of course IR TMs and (e.g. in Germany) enhanced protections for famous TMs that extend well beyond the goods and services originally protected.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks for clarifying,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Alexander</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> McGrady, Paul D. [<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com">mailto:PMcGrady@taftlaw.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 14. August 2019 17:15<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] - Specification 13</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks Alexander.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Respectfully, your analysis is incorrect. While trademarks are local (state), national, or international (EU marks, Benelux marks) in nature there are protections
for trademarks found in International law, e.g. the Paris Convention. I wouldn’t expect anyone in this WG to know that other than the trademark attorneys who participate, so good you brought it up so that I could set the record straight. Your second notion,
that trademarks are limited to corresponding goods/services is mostly true (except in jurisdictions that recognize the doctrine of dilution for the protection of famous marks. This would be a more interesting point if gTLD registry applications came with
restrictions, i.e. that an applicant made it clear that they have applied for .apple to run an apple farm and that they pledge in advance that there will be no second level registrations that would contain terms or could be used to infringe the APPLE mark
(for example, no ability to register computer.apple or use store.apple to sell electronics). Those restrictions would then be incorporated in PICS and brand owners could enforce against registries accordingly. However, ICANN has put no use requirements in
place for applicants to agree to, so until they do, we have to take a broad view of trademark rights in order to protect consumers from confusion and malicious activities.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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