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<p>The 2012 round is out of scope... <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/22/2019 5:05 PM, Aikman-Scalese,
Anne wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Jeff, Trang, et
al<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It strikes me
that any registry that had to change its 2012 application
from “Closed” to “Open” (in order to win an auction or
otherwise be awarded the generic TLD) would be very
interested in the possibility of getting a new policy
permitting closed generics applied to the terms of its
existing registry agreement. Otherwise, we could be
creating an “unfair playing field”. Therefore, factual data
from ICANN staff as to which registries from 2012 switched
from “Closed” proposals to “Open” proposals should also be
considered by the small group.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">TRANG – could
you please<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">(1) recirculate
the list of 2012 applications that have not been withdrawn,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">(2) Identify
any 2012 Closed Generic applications that were switched to
“open” status in order to qualify for delegation or for a
Contention Set, and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">(3) Let us know
who won the contention set for a generic where one or more
of the original applicants applied for a Closed Generic?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The above
information should be very helpful to the small group.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Another
question for the group might be: Would it be fair to allow
the winner of an open generic contention set to update to a
new policy and operate a closed generic under that new
policy if the bidders in the contention set in 2012 were
bidding solely based on an understanding that the registry
would need to be “open”?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">This also
affects the policy question I was asking about giving
priority to applications from 2012 that have not been
delegated. My question was: What policy applies if those
applications are given priority? Old policy or new
policy? I believe Susan Payne is drafting some language
relative to priority for 2012 applications as well as
priority for applications that remain unresolved when a
future round closes. I am not sure how that language might
(or might not) apply to a registry agreement issued in 2012
where the registry may desire to “switch” to any new policy
adopted as to “Closed Generics”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As to Board
action and consideration of what the Board will do, one
element that needs to be considered is the standing GAC
Advice that a Closed Generic “should serve a public interest
goal”. Since the Board would have to have 11 votes to act
against that Advice, it may be worthwhile for the small
group to develop some examples demonstrating what “public
interest goal” might be served by a Closed Generic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Anne<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Pablo Silva Valent<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeff Neuman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com"><jeff.neuman@comlaude.com></a><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Closed Generics /
Creation of Sub-group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Of course, but yet again, having no
agreement is not a wild card that the board could use to allow
generics, it’s quite the opposite. Only if we agree to allow
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 22 Aug 2019, at 14:12, Jeff
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think arguments can be made in a lot of different
ways (and understand you disagree with that), but
I would ask us to focus on whether we can find
some compromise solution. I am hoping you are
joining the small group to help us find some sort
of compromise (if we can) as that is its purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b><span
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[Gnso-newgtld-wg] Closed Generics / Creation
of Sub-group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
board can always take decisions we cannot
anticipate with certainty, but we can have an
opinion on what the board should do. It is clear
for me that there is no scenario were with good
faith and rational, even legitimacy, a board
decision over closed generic should open them
without our explicit consent to it and the rules
it will have according to us in that case. The
community holds the power and legitimacy in the
bottom-up model in gTLDs, and not allowing the
closed generic is the default because that was
what current practice and previos board
decisions have been. Specially since it is also
clear there are clear community concerns of they
even being allowed at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So
no, I do not think it is fair to say that we
don0’t now what the board will say if we don’t
agree, therefore we should agree on something.
Not agreeing to open the generic is a valid
solution and that means the current state of
affairs holds, unless the board goes rogue and
creates PDP new policy against the will of the
constituencies entitled to create such policy.
The temporal designo is the solution the board
came to in the absence of us agreeing to have
them in the first place. That is the logical
solution and there is no reason to think
otherwise. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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22 Aug 2019, at 13:25, Jeff Neuman
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks
Martin.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Although
I understand your arguments, my only
point was that it is not as clear as
it is in other situations. And if
we hang our hat on the argument that
the default means what you believe
it means (and therefore rely on what
you believe the default means), we
need to recognize that that may not
be how the Board interprets the
default.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
am glad to see that you have
volunteered to join the group which
hopefully means that you are willing
to help work on a compromise
position between the many sides.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-GB">Jeff Neuman</span></b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Martin
Pablo Silva Valent <<a
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style="color:purple">mpsilvavalent@gmail.com</span></a>><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday,
August 22, 2019 11:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeff
Neuman <<a
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style="color:purple">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span
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<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Gnso-newgtld-wg] Closed
Generics / Creation of Sub-group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi
all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
class="apple-tab-span"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
would like to strongly disagree
with the view on the default
issue, it is very clear that the
default is not allowing them. The
temporality goes towards an
eventual policy that may
contradict the board, in that
case, the board recognizes our
policy allowing them would win
over their decision not to, if
that policy explicitly allowing
them in x and y terms cannot be
created because there is no
consensus for that, then the ban
on generics remains. So no new
consensus policy allowing them
means not allowing them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><br>
Martin Silva Valent</span><span
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<b>Partner | Silva.legal<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On
22 Aug 2019, at 11:40,
Jeff Neuman <<a
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks
for the great discussion
on Closed Generics
earlier
today/yesterday. For
those that were not able
to be on the call, I
highly recommend
listening to the
recording which can be
found on the<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://community.icann.org/x/VqujBg" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#954F72">agenda wiki page</span></a>. The latest version
of the Summary Document
is<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q6_DxsCvSA_3B7ArncO2U4tWNY3vH7Wi4nINrouR4AI/edit#heading=h.j7jy935ryg4k"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#954F72">here</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>(specifically
Section 2.7.3 –
currently pages 14-20).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One
of the action items from
the call with to create
a small sub-group to
discuss this issue
further to see if it is
possible to get a
“compromise position” of
the Working Group on one
of the options that were
presented (or any hybrid
or new option). We are
seeking volunteers to
serve on this small
group. Please let us
know if you would like
to sign up for this
group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One
word of caution: This
group is not being set
up to rehash the
arguments for and
against Closed
Generics. We have spent
more than enough time on
that issue and the
Summary Documents,
combines with the
Initial Report and
Public Comment Analysis
referenced in the
Summary Document we
believe have effectively
captured all of that.
What we are looking for
is whether there is any
solution that can
address/mitigate the
alleged harms expressed
by those that oppose
Closed Generics. We are
trying to assess whether
there is an appetite in
the group to
compromise. <span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If,
after several weeks, we
(the Leadership) do not
believe there is such an
appetite, then we will
close the small group
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