<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Anne,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The scope of study 1 is basically compiling the already existing knowledge in this theme. So, a successful study 1 will just make easier for parties unfamiliar with the topic to fast-track to the same level that others that have been studying this issue for long already have. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rubens</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 3 Sep 2019, at 19:25, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" class="">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Rubens,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">If any party replied to the RFP for Study 1 in the NCAP project and then delivers a report to ICANN, then there is a dependency. I gather from the NCAP Discussion list that at least one party responded to the RFP for Study 1. Do you have a different understanding?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Anne<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Gnso-newgtld-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Rubens Kuhl<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, September 3, 2019 2:19 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Gnso-newgtld-wg] Fwd: [NCAP-Discuss] Fwd: [Ext] JAS no-bid on NCAP Study 1<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><strong class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">[EXTERNAL]</span></strong><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" class=""></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">This message distributed in the name collisions project list touches 3 discussion topics from WT4 and the full WG:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">- JAS Advisors believe the NCAP Study 1 provides no actual new content. I agree with their assessment, and already factored that in my opinion that there is no dependency between NCAP and SubPro for the policy part, even though is possible that NCAP studies 2 and 3, if they are ever commissioned, could interrelate in implementation. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">- JAS Advisors makes a suggestion regarding the next procedures that we can check if it was already factored or not in the report or already mentioned by any other commenter. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">- JAS Advisors makes a point regarding a topic that is in our charter but hasn't been discussed so far, name collisions in current gTLDs. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Rubens<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Início da mensagem encaminhada:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">De:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Matt Larson <<a href="mailto:matt.larson@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">matt.larson@icann.org</a>></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Assunto: [NCAP-Discuss] Fwd: [Ext] JAS no-bid on NCAP Study 1</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Data:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">3 de setembro de 2019 13:47:32 BRT</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Para:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"<a href="mailto:ncap-discuss@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ncap-discuss@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ncap-discuss@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">ncap-discuss@icann.org</a>></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Dear colleagues,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">David Conrad and I thought the email below from Jeff Schmidt (who is known to most of you based on his firm's previous work on name collisions) was worth forwarding to this group, which we are doing with Jeff's permission.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Matt<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">Begin forwarded message:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Jeff Schmidt <<a href="mailto:jschmidt@jasadvisors.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jschmidt@jasadvisors.com</a>></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Subject: [Ext] JAS no-bid on NCAP Study 1</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">August 27, 2019 at 11:25:49 AM EDT</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Roy Arends <<a href="mailto:roy.arends@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">roy.arends@icann.org</a>>, Matt Larson <<a href="mailto:matt.larson@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">matt.larson@icann.org</a>>, David Conrad <<a href="mailto:david.conrad@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">david.conrad@icann.org</a>></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hello Team ICANN!</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">JAS elected not to bid on the NCAP Study 1; thank you for the invitation and please keep us in mind for Study 2 if such a study occurs.</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Our primary rationale for not bidding on Study 1 is simply that we don’t believe we have anything useful to add to the discussion given the limited scope of Study 1. We believe that at this point DNS namespace collisions are well understood (albeit by a relatively small technical community) and that any further work product from JAS would largely be a restatement of our October 2015 Final Report. In the three years since our Final Report, our conclusions have been shown to be largely correct and the mitigation strategy we proposed (“Controlled Interruption”) has had the desired effects. Many TLDs have been delegated and used in a variety of fashions at this point and – as we suggested – the few problems that surfaced were isolated and not serious. Our definition of DNS namespace collisions and the causes/etiology as described in Sections 4 and 5 of our report still hold. At the end of the day, we can’t take your money if we don’t believe we have anything useful to add. ;-)</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The one glaring failure and our great disappointment is that the IETF has refused to take-up our Recommendation #1 to clearly create an RFC 1918-like protected namespace for local use. Until this happens, DNS namespace collisions will continue to occur; however, increased awareness should reduce the risk of widespread serious future problems (with the “corp-like” exception noted below). Given the lack of clarity of RFC 6762 (including errata), this issue will persist until folks are told unambiguously the *<b class="">right</b>* way to do this.</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">We believe the datasets available to research collisions are also fairly well known – the DNS-OARC DITL data, data that may be made available from large recursive operators, and authoritative data acquired by acquiring/hosting known colliding domains (the 30+ such domains JAS owns, Mike O’Connor’s<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://corp.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114);" class="">corp.com</span></a>, etc). While these datasets have been available for years, extremely limited research interest (essentially zero) has been shown in collision-related topics. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">JAS remains concerned about the security implications of a small number of “special” domains – like .corp – including the ones that have not yet been discovered. The special nature of the string “corp” was not predictable a-priori and highly esoteric; all future TLD application rounds should contain steps to identify potential corp-like “special” strings requiring exceptional treatment. JAS also remains concerned about the practice of “drop catching” which is essentially the intentional discovery and monetization of DNS namespace collisions and referenced this practice in our Final report and in Recommendation #14. We would very much appreciate the opportunity to assist with these issues at some future point.</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Happy to chat further feel free to reach out of course; just wanted to make sure I closed the loop since you invited a bid from us. Please do let whomever you select to perform Study 1 know that we’re happy to chat with them and provide whatever historical information/assistance we can.</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thank you!<br class="">Jeff</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">NCAP-Discuss mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:NCAP-Discuss@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">NCAP-Discuss@icann.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ncap-discuss" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ncap-discuss</a><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy</a>) and the website Terms of Service (<a href="https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos</a>). 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