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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dear List,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regarding the message from Rubens and the message from JAS Advisors,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">1. There is, as far as I know as a member of the NCAP Discussion Group,
<u>at least one response</u> to the RFP on Study 1 for the Name Collision Analysis Project, so there is a dependency to Sub Pro recommendations. (NCAP Recommendations will go directly to the Board as well but Rubens and Jeff are both members of the NCAP Discussion
Group. Jeff has stated that his purpose is to coordinate with them.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">2. I note that JAS Advisors says in its email that its Final Report on Name Collisions stands and Rubens has made some points about that. I don’t recall Work Track 4 actually taking the time to review that report
in full. A copy is attached.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">3. I have also taken a section from the Final Report and its recommendations that is referred to by JAS in the new email in its discussion of .corp and other high risk strings. It’s clear JAS recommended total
reservation of .HOME, .CORP, and .MAIL in its Final Report, i.e. that none of these be delegated going forward. And it’s clear from the email that JAS recommends a way of identifying similar high risk strings be developed. I think Work Track 4 referred
to this in its tentative recommendations as “developing a DO NOT APPLY” list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The Final Report is very long – but the summary of recommendations appears early on. These are worth your consideration prior to the Monday call.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Anne<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Neuman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 4, 2019 12:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br>; gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] [NCAP-Discuss] Fwd: [Ext] JAS no-bid on NCAP Study 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks Rubens for forwarding all of the communication. Please note that Name Collisions is on our agenda most likely next Monday if all goes according to the Work Plan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Jeff Neuman</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Senior Vice President <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">D: +1.703.635.7514<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><u><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0563C1"><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Gnso-newgtld-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rubens Kuhl<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 4, 2019 10:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] [NCAP-Discuss] Fwd: [Ext] JAS no-bid on NCAP Study 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As a follow-up, there is an interesting thread of discussions in the NCAP list regarding this topic after the message I forwarded; it can be followed even by non-subscribers using the list archive:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ncap-discuss/2019-September/thread.html">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ncap-discuss/2019-September/thread.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Em 3 de set de 2019, à(s) 18:18:000, Rubens Kuhl <<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br">rubensk@nic.br</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This message distributed in the name collisions project list touches 3 discussion topics from WT4 and the full WG:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">- JAS Advisors believe the NCAP Study 1 provides no actual new content. I agree with their assessment, and already factored that in my opinion that there is no dependency between NCAP and SubPro for the policy
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">- JAS Advisors makes a suggestion regarding the next procedures that we can check if it was already factored or not in the report or already mentioned by any other commenter. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">- JAS Advisors makes a point regarding a topic that is in our charter but hasn't been discussed so far, name collisions in current gTLDs. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">De:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Matt Larson <<a href="mailto:matt.larson@icann.org">matt.larson@icann.org</a>></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Assunto: [NCAP-Discuss] Fwd: [Ext] JAS no-bid on NCAP Study 1</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Data:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Para:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">"<a href="mailto:ncap-discuss@icann.org">ncap-discuss@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ncap-discuss@icann.org">ncap-discuss@icann.org</a>></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear colleagues, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">David Conrad and I thought the email below from Jeff Schmidt (who is known to most of you based on his firm's previous work on name collisions) was worth forwarding to this group, which we are doing with Jeff's
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Matt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">From:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Subject: [Ext] JAS no-bid on NCAP Study 1</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Date:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">August 27, 2019 at 11:25:49 AM EDT</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">To:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Roy Arends <<a href="mailto:roy.arends@icann.org">roy.arends@icann.org</a>>, Matt Larson <<a href="mailto:matt.larson@icann.org">matt.larson@icann.org</a>>, David Conrad <<a href="mailto:david.conrad@icann.org">david.conrad@icann.org</a>></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello Team ICANN!</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">JAS elected not to bid on the NCAP Study 1; thank you for the invitation and please keep us in mind for Study 2 if such a study occurs.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Our primary rationale for not bidding on Study 1 is simply that we don’t believe we have anything useful to add to the discussion given the limited scope of Study 1. We believe that at this point DNS namespace
collisions are well understood (albeit by a relatively small technical community) and that any further work product from JAS would largely be a restatement of our October 2015 Final Report. In the three years since our Final Report, our conclusions have been
shown to be largely correct and the mitigation strategy we proposed (“Controlled Interruption”) has had the desired effects. Many TLDs have been delegated and used in a variety of fashions at this point and – as we suggested – the few problems that surfaced
were isolated and not serious. Our definition of DNS namespace collisions and the causes/etiology as described in Sections 4 and 5 of our report still hold. At the end of the day, we can’t take your money if we don’t believe we have anything useful to add.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The one glaring failure and our great disappointment is that the IETF has refused to take-up our Recommendation #1 to clearly create an RFC 1918-like protected namespace for local use. Until this happens,
DNS namespace collisions will continue to occur; however, increased awareness should reduce the risk of widespread serious future problems (with the “corp-like” exception noted below). Given the lack of clarity of RFC 6762 (including errata), this issue will
persist until folks are told unambiguously the *<b>right</b>* way to do this.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We believe the datasets available to research collisions are also fairly well known – the DNS-OARC DITL data, data that may be made available from large recursive operators, and authoritative data acquired
by acquiring/hosting known colliding domains (the 30+ such domains JAS owns, Mike O’Connor’s<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://corp.com/"><span style="color:#954F72">corp.com</span></a>, etc). While these datasets have been available
for years, extremely limited research interest (essentially zero) has been shown in collision-related topics. <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">JAS remains concerned about the security implications of a small number of “special” domains – like .corp – including the ones that have not yet been discovered. The special nature of the string “corp” was
not predictable a-priori and highly esoteric; all future TLD application rounds should contain steps to identify potential corp-like “special” strings requiring exceptional treatment. JAS also remains concerned about the practice of “drop catching” which
is essentially the intentional discovery and monetization of DNS namespace collisions and referenced this practice in our Final report and in Recommendation #14. We would very much appreciate the opportunity to assist with these issues at some future point.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Happy to chat further feel free to reach out of course; just wanted to make sure I closed the loop since you invited a bid from us. Please do let whomever you select to perform Study 1 know that we’re happy
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you!<br>
Jeff</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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