<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Kathy,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Changes to the application that happen outside of PICs and/or Exhibit A (registry services) are unenforceable. PICs were created by ICANN Org in response to the lack of enforceability, and are an integral part of what happened in 2012. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Although you mentioned some PICs with applicant-thought features, most of them were imposed down applicants throats by ICANN Org, following GAC advice. So, characterizing the whole using a minority is likely a distortion. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you succeed in making this discussion a lack of consensus, the default in this case is to include mandatory and voluntary PICs as they existed. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rubens</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Em 26 de set de 2019, à(s) 19:39:000, Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" class="">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> escreveu:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">All,</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">Mandatory PICS are unchanging. You can't resolve an Objection with a Mandatory PIC. It would require a Voluntary PIC -- which has become a misnomer, and a complete garbage can of everything applicants wanted to throw into the kitchen sink. There are longstanding objections to "voluntary PICs" from the Noncommercial Stakeholder Group, Electronic Frontier Foundation and the Public Interest Community (as we discussed many times). There is no high-level agreement on including them -- and they were not part of the Round 1 rules.</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">We agreed in last week's call that you could *amend the application* to settle an Objection. That puts the private Objection settlement out for fuller and fairer review -- which is fair. Changes to public portion of applications would be subject to public comment -- and hopefully notification to all who have filed comments and therefore are likely interested in following changes to that application. Publication and public notice on significant changes to applications (with public comment) to settle an Objection<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">was<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>done in Round 1.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">But there was no question that there is a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">high level Disagreement<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></u><u class="">to settling disputes with changes to PICs -- because mandatory PICs are fixed and unchanging. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></u>This high level Disagreement was raised in every Objections call until last night.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Surely we are not saying that if you miss one discussion in the dead of night, you have waived all previous objections? <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i><br class=""></p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">I'm assuming GAC objections were the topic at issue here -- and can settled with changes to the application itself. <b class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Many, many changes to public portions of applications were made in response to the GAC in Round 1. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class=""><br class=""></i></p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">Best, Kathy</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">Kathryn Kleiman, American University Washington College of Law</p><p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></p><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;">On 9/26/2019 6:13 PM, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:0958a8e388124d4d90f421182ce24598@lrrc.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><a name="_GoBack" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""></a>Regarding the last call and the possible high level agreement on resolving Objection proceedings with mandatory PICs, it’s important to note that there is no private right of action to enforce a PIC. The current PIC Dispute Resolution procedure – PICDRP (see attached) provides for various steps to be taken in resolving the PIC complaint and if unresolved, ICANN at its SOLE discrestion, can invoke a a Staning Panel or undertake a compliance investigation.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class="">So the points I am raising here are:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class="">(1) Proceeding on the report of a PIC violation rests in the sole discretion of ICANN<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class="">(2) The expense of the Compliance investigation and/or Standing Panel is an expense of ICANN.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class="">Accordingly, it may be appropriate to consider adopting a private right of action (rather than forcing the expense on ICANN) in connection with the enforcement of mandatory PICs adopted for purposes of resolving an Objection proceeding.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class="">In fact, the PICDRP originally contained a provision allowing the enforcement issue to be taken to a third party provider. However, that draft did not survive.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class="">Anne<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><table class="TableGridLight1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" style="border-collapse: collapse; border: none;"><tbody class=""><tr class=""><td width="336" valign="top" style="width: 3.5in; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80); line-height: 16.799999237060547px;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: 12.600000381469727px; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(175, 39, 47);" class="">Anne E. 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