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<div dir="auto">Please provide an evidence, like the reference to the Registry Agreement clause, which at least mentions the application (there is none).<br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">There is no legal link between an Applicant and the Registry after the execution of the contract (RA). <br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">Though nothing prevents a Registry from including the most important ideas of the application into the Registry own set of policies and contractual texts with Registrars (RRA), which was usually done. <br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">For example a Registry might include some elegibility criteria (like a certain kinds of license for food manufacturer in case of a relevant TLD), and the process of review, when they receive a notification, that the particular Registrant does not follow policies or lost the required license. <br></div>
<div dir="auto">The review process might be held by a panel of community recognized or appointed respected experts in this field (and this can be in Registry policies). <br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">So there is a way to do these things, but it is up to a Registry and not derived from the <br></div>
<div dir="auto">Application. <br><br></div>
<div dir="auto">P. S: In the 2012 round all applicants included business models, which became unworkable after sudden unpredicted changes from ICANN side (RAA 2013 restriction, long delays with Archery, glitches, name collisions e.t.c.) , <br></div>
<div dir="auto">So making the application binding might not work at all (and Registry Agreements are almost unified, unlike texts of aplications, so it would lead to the compliance nightmare). <br><br></div>
<div dir="auto"><!-- tmjah_g_1299s -->Maxim Alzoba<!-- tmjah_g_1299e --><br><br></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote" >On 27 Sep 2019, at 06:13, Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<p>Tx Rubens for your message. What you say simply can't be true.
The public portion of the application is binding and enforceable.
If you are .BANK and you are serving the banking community that's
a commitment. If you are .HALAL or .KOSHER, ditto. <br>
</p>
<p>In response to community objections, substantive changes were
offered by the applicant *to their application.* They were posted
for public comment, monitored and commented on by the relevant
communities, and ultimately adopted. <br>
</p>
<p>PICs were not part of the original applicant guidebook. Fadi,
standing on one foot when he created them, may have intended them
for one thing, but they became something else almost immediately
-- a dumping ground, and provably (for many of them) having
absolutely nothing to do with GAC Early Warnings. (We can sit
down any time you want to run a 1:1 comparison.) There are
seminars discussing this - I can send you links.<br>
</p>
<p>Voluntary PICs are not part of the original rules, Rubens, and
have no consensus for going forward. But revising the original
application - particularly to serve the commercial, business or
noncommercial communities who should be served -- sure. That can
and has been done.</p>
<p>Best, Kathy<br>
</p>
<p>On 9/26/2019 6:56 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote:<br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:ED4068CD-8A72-4C02-BB60-69397B4B3ADB@nic.br">
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Kathy,
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<div class="">Changes to the application that happen outside of
PICs and/or Exhibit A (registry services) are unenforceable.
PICs were created by ICANN Org in response to the lack of
enforceability, and are an integral part of what happened in
2012. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">Although you mentioned some PICs with
applicant-thought features, most of them were imposed down
applicants throats by ICANN Org, following GAC advice. So,
characterizing the whole using a minority is likely a
distortion. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">If you succeed in making this discussion a lack of
consensus, the default in this case is to include mandatory and
voluntary PICs as they existed. </div>
<div class=""><br class="">
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<div class="">Rubens</div>
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<div class="">Em 26 de set de 2019, à(s) 19:39:000, Kathy
Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>
escreveu:</div>
<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<div class="">
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">All,</p>
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">Mandatory PICS are unchanging. You can't
resolve an Objection with a Mandatory PIC. It would
require a Voluntary PIC -- which has become a misnomer,
and a complete garbage can of everything applicants
wanted to throw into the kitchen sink. There are
longstanding objections to "voluntary PICs" from the
Noncommercial Stakeholder Group, Electronic Frontier
Foundation and the Public Interest Community (as we
discussed many times). There is no high-level agreement
on including them -- and they were not part of the Round
1 rules.</p>
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">We agreed in last week's call that you
could *amend the application* to settle an Objection.
That puts the private Objection settlement out for
fuller and fairer review -- which is fair. Changes to
public portion of applications would be subject to
public comment -- and hopefully notification to all who
have filed comments and therefore are likely interested
in following changes to that application. Publication
and public notice on significant changes to applications
(with public comment) to settle an Objection<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">was<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>done in
Round 1.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
</p>
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">But there was no question that there is
a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class="">high
level Disagreement<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></u><u class="">to settling disputes with changes to PICs --
because mandatory PICs are fixed and unchanging. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></u>This high
level Disagreement was raised in every Objections call
until last night.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">Surely we are not saying that if you miss one
discussion in the dead of night, you have waived all
previous objections? <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i><br class="">
</p>
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">I'm assuming GAC objections were the
topic at issue here -- and can settled with changes to
the application itself. <b class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Many, many
changes to public portions of applications were made in
response to the GAC in Round 1. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class=""><br class="">
</i></p>
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">Best, Kathy</p>
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">Kathryn Kleiman, American University
Washington College of Law</p>
<p style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;">On 9/26/2019 6:13 PM, Aikman-Scalese, Anne wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:0958a8e388124d4d90f421182ce24598@lrrc.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none;" class="">
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><a name="_GoBack" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""></a>Regarding the
last call and the possible high level agreement on
resolving Objection proceedings with mandatory PICs,
it’s important to note that there is no private
right of action to enforce a PIC. The current PIC
Dispute Resolution procedure – PICDRP (see attached)
provides for various steps to be taken in resolving
the PIC complaint and if unresolved, ICANN at its
SOLE discrestion, can invoke a a Staning Panel or
undertake a compliance investigation.<p class=""></p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><p class=""> </p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class="">So the points I am raising here are:<p class=""></p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><p class=""> </p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class="">(1) Proceeding on the report of a PIC
violation rests in the sole discretion of ICANN<p class=""></p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class="">(2) The expense of the Compliance
investigation and/or Standing Panel is an expense of
ICANN.<p class=""></p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><p class=""> </p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class="">Accordingly, it may be appropriate to
consider adopting a private right of action (rather
than forcing the expense on ICANN) in connection
with the enforcement of mandatory PICs adopted for
purposes of resolving an Objection proceeding.<p class=""></p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><p class=""> </p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class="">In fact, the PICDRP originally
contained a provision allowing the enforcement issue
to be taken to a third party provider. However,
that draft did not survive.<p class=""></p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class=""><p class=""> </p></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(23, 96, 80);" class="">Anne<p class=""></p></div>
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