<div><div dir="auto">I’m familiar with the entities known as the Noncommercial Stakeholder Group and the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and I’m reasonably confident Kathy can speak to their views, particularly since EFF is a member of the NCSG (but perhaps not of this WG, or if so, not particularly active).</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’m not familiar with any entity known as the Public Interest Community. Indeed I’m pretty sure there is no such monolithic entity. I’m not even quite sure what the phrase refers, but to the extent I understand it, it is a diverse group of entities that does not speak with one voice or a single perspective.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I doubt we can ascribe a single position to the “public interest community.” To the extent we try, it makes no sense to lump it in with NCSG and EFF (and I look skeptically on any attempt to do so). Indeed, I would expect At Large to have a firmer grasp on this group of entities than NCSG — particularly since I believe the public interest community (as I try to understand it) looks primarily to the interests of individual internet users, as does At Large.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Greg</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 6:41 PM Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>All,</p>
<p>Mandatory PICS are unchanging. You can't resolve an Objection
with a Mandatory PIC. It would require a Voluntary PIC -- which
has become a misnomer, and a complete garbage can of everything
applicants wanted to throw into the kitchen sink. There are
longstanding objections to "voluntary PICs" from the Noncommercial
Stakeholder Group, Electronic Frontier Foundation and the Public
Interest Community (as we discussed many times). There is no
high-level agreement on including them -- and they were not part
of the Round 1 rules. </p>
<p>We agreed in last week's call that you could *amend the
application* to settle an Objection. That puts the private
Objection settlement out for fuller and fairer review -- which is
fair. Changes to public portion of applications would be subject
to public comment -- and hopefully notification to all who have
filed comments and therefore are likely interested in following
changes to that application. Publication and public notice on
significant changes to applications (with public comment) to
settle an Objection <b>was </b>done in Round 1. <br>
</p>
<p>But there was no question that there is a <u>high level
Disagreement </u><u>to settling disputes with changes to PICs
-- because mandatory PICs are fixed and unchanging. </u>This
high level Disagreement was raised in every Objections call until
last night. <i>Surely we are not saying that if you miss one
discussion in the dead of night, you have waived all previous
objections? </i><br>
</p>
<p>I'm assuming GAC objections were the topic at issue here -- and
can settled with changes to the application itself. <b> </b>Many,
many changes to public portions of applications were made in
response to the GAC in Round 1. <i><br>
</i></p>
<p>Best, Kathy</p>
<p>Kathryn Kleiman, American University Washington College of Law</p></div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<div>On 9/26/2019 6:13 PM, Aikman-Scalese,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-312248627501402405__GoBack"></a>Regarding
the last call and the possible high level agreement on
resolving Objection proceedings with mandatory PICs, it’s
important to note that there is no private right of action to
enforce a PIC. The current PIC Dispute Resolution procedure –
PICDRP (see attached) provides for various steps to be taken
in resolving the PIC complaint and if unresolved, ICANN at
its SOLE discrestion, can invoke a a Staning Panel or
undertake a compliance investigation.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So the points I am raising here are:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(1) Proceeding on the report of a PIC
violation rests in the sole discretion of ICANN<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(2) The expense of the Compliance
investigation and/or Standing Panel is an expense of ICANN.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Accordingly, it may be appropriate to
consider adopting a private right of action (rather than
forcing the expense on ICANN) in connection with the
enforcement of mandatory PICs adopted for purposes of
resolving an Objection proceeding.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In fact, the PICDRP originally contained a
provision allowing the enforcement issue to be taken to a
third party provider. However, that draft did not survive.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Anne<u></u><u></u></p>
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