<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Without going to whether ALAC should be funded or not in objections and/or appeals, we should note that ALAC concerns were used in a number of cases as basis for the Independent Objector to act. But since there doesn't seem to be an Independent Appealer, funding appeals becomes more important since there is no one else to do that. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As for ALAC-funded objections, there is already a rule in the Independent Objector guidance that the IO shouldn't object when someone already filed an objection, so there is no double booking... since this control already exists, I'm neutral whether ALAC would be directly funded or go thru the IO. Both work for me. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rubens</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 22 Oct 2019, at 06:26, Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew@gmail.com" class="">justine.chew@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><div class="gmail_default">Aha?<br class=""><br class="">The ALAC is not "just like anyone else"; it is one of several specific Advisory Committees provided for in ICANN's Bylaws and one of 2 Advisory Committees which were funded to file objections in the last round. This funding to file objections is expected to continue in Subsequent Procedures and the ALAC submits that it ought to include reasonable funding to finance appeals as a matter of due process. <br class=""> </div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_default">Justine</div>-----</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 16:32, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">Aha.</p><p class="">Many organizations that might conceivably want or feel entitled
to launch an objection are underfunded. Should ICANN therefore
fund any organization without money "commensurate with the number
of applications received"? <br class="">
</p><p class="">Unless ALAC is granted a special objector role, funding should
not be contemplated. ALAC can voice the concerns of the internet
users without raising a formal objection. Or it could raise the
money required from its constituents or others that share its
concerns. Just like anyone else. <br class="">
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<div class="">Am 22.10.2019 um 07:53 schrieb Justine
Chew:<br class="">
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">I now
wish to relay the ALAC's response on the matter of its ability
to file both Limited Public Interest Objections and Community
Objections <span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">in Subsequent
Procedures, as well as appeals against any DRSP decisions
dismissing the ALAC's filed Objections. The response is as
follows:<br class="">
<br class="">
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">The
ALAC has no funding ability beyond that supplied by ICANN.
It is not feasible for the ALAC to raise funds to finance an
appeal (or objection) or to bear costs under a “loser pays”
model if its appeal is unsuccessful.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br class="">
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">Any
withholding of ICANN funding for the ALAC to file objections
and/or appeals would be tantamount to denying ALAC the
ability to fulfill its duty under the Bylaws as the primary
organisational constituency for the voice and concerns of
the individual Internet user. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br class="">
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">As to
any contemplated limits to the number of appeals or quantum
of ICANN funding to ALAC in light of ICANN budgetary
constraints, the ALAC believes that its ICANN funding must
be commensurate with number of applications received.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br class="">
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small">The
question of standing for the ALAC to file an objection and
appeal is beyond the scope of the Subsequent Procedures PDP
WG. It is a question for the ALAC to consider and the
Dispute Resolution Service Provider and Appeals Arbiter to
determine in respect of an objection and appeal,
respectively.</div>
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<div class="">-- <br class="">
Volker A. Greimann</div>
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