<div dir="ltr">There cannot be a 'winner' if there is still unlimited potential for anyone to object on any basis. That probably would be unreasonable to take on such risk. But if objections at least had to be lodged in some form, even if not fully briefed with evidence, then at least everyone could make some risk assessment in resolving the contention set. I think that would encourage lots of silly lodged objections though. And I am still not convinced this is a big enough problem warranting such a substantial change to the previously agreed, dseigned and implemented, and highly complicated and integrated processes to resolve contention and objections in a timely and reasonably foreseeable manner.<div><br><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Mike Rodenbaugh</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">RODENBAUGH LAW</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><a href="http://rodenbaugh.law" target="_blank">http://rodenbaugh.law</a> </div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 1:34 PM Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(153,51,102)">Whatever else you might want to say, it seems to me ridiculously wasteful to trigger Objection filing deadlines on all applicants in a string contention set when only one (or a combination if a JV is formed via
private resolution) is going to win out. Objection filing deadlines should not be triggered until the winner is clear. Then other applicants can stay in line if they want to wait out the Objection process – but apparently only if that privilege is agreed
via private resolution?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Rodenbaugh <<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] String Contention Proposal<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Sorry, my text was in
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defined or a problem to be prevented. I should have noted. </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:red">My edits in RED.</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">(Also, I think I was capturing Donna’s points, but invite correction if I got it wrong.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 22, 2019 5:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dorrain, Kristine <<a href="mailto:dorraink@amazon.com" target="_blank">dorraink@amazon.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] String Contention Proposal<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Kristine. You refer to the purported problem as "<b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console""> to Avoid Speculation in TLDs."</span></b><br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I don't know how we mean to define "speculation" and whether that is a bad thing. Until you define the thing it is you are trying to prevent, and why it is such a bad thing that we should try
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Anne,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Donna clarified, and I seconded (but only to the extent that we’re entertaining ideas ahead of Kurt,
and Mike ,and others’, entirely reasonable request for more clarity around the problem we’re solving for because I agree we’re all guessing), the idea that the bidding plays no role until the applicants are ready for an auction of last resort.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:red">So, to my mind, it looks like this instead -
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">String Contention Proposal to Avoid Speculation in TLDs</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">4 applications for .sam<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">
</span>string <span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">– contention set and</span> parties not revealed on application date.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">Per Donna's suggestion, parties are all 4 notified of string contention and asked to submit sealed bids. Sealed bids
received. (Some may drop out.)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">Application 1 is a Community Application for .sam for the "Society for Aviation Maintenance". All worldwide aviation
maintenance unions back this application. Public comment is sought.<i><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> At this point, the other applicants know there is a CPE application but their bids are already in. Should private resolution be permitted at this point or
not? </span><span style="color:red">Only if all four parties agree, but it’s looking good for applicant 1, so they’ll probably stick it out and take their chances with evaluation.</span></i></span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">A. CPE Pass<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">
</span>leads to Appeal. If sustained, Application 1 wins. If overturned, <s>move to highest bidder and seek public comment on that application. (It's still possible for this application to be the highest bidder even if it fails CPE.)
<u> </u></s><u><span style="color:red">continue evaluating 3 non-Community applications</span>.</u></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">B. CPE Fail leads to Appeal. If overturned, Application 1 wins. If CPE Fail is sustained,
<s>move to highest bidder and seek public comment on that application</s>. <u><span style="color:red">continue evaluating 3 non-Community applications</span></u></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">Application 2 for .sam Purpose: Dedicated to domains for those interested in the Samurai arts.</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">Application 3 for .sam Purpose: Free speech on the pros and cons of Uncle Sam</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">
(USG)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">Application 4 for .sam Purpose: Retail sales
<span style="color:red">(is Sam’s Club the applicant?)</span>.</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console""> Assume CPE for Application 1 fails
<s>and that Application 4 submitted the highest sealed bid. Solicit public comment on Application 4 and the Objection deadline is triggered.
</s><span style="color:red">And that all other applications pass initial evaluation.</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console""> Sam's Club files Legal Rights Objection against
<s>the Application 4 winner</s>.<span style="color:red">any or all of the other three applications until the appeals are concluded.</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><s><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">A.LRO Success leads to Appeal. If successful LRO upheld on appeal, move to the next highest bidder not withdrawn,
solicit public comment, and trigger Objection deadline. If LRO success is overturned, Application 4 wins .sam.</span></s><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><s><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">B. LRO Failure leads to Appeal. If failed LRO upheld on appeal, Application 4 wins .sam. If failed LRO is overturned,
move to the next highest bidder not withdrawn, solicit public comment, and trigger Objection deadline.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:red">All surviving applicants have the opportunity to privately resolve their contention set. If any applicant
does not wish to privately resolve the contention set , then we move to the auction of last resort (or “instant resolution”). ICANN opens the bids and awards the TLD to the highest bidding remaining application, who pays the amount bid by the remaining applicant
with the second highest bid.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Gnso-newgtld-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Aikman-Scalese, Anne<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 22, 2019 2:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg] FW: String Contention Proposal</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Regarding Tuesday’s call (Monday night in the US), I am offering the following hypothetical based on Donna’s suggestion to collect sealed bids prior
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</span>string <span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">– contention set and</span> parties not revealed on application date.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">Per Donna's suggestion, parties are all 4 notified of string contention and asked to submit sealed bids. Sealed bids
received. (Some may drop out.)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Lucida Console"">Application 1 is a Community Application for .sam for the "Society for Aviation Maintenance". All worldwide aviation
maintenance unions back this application. Public comment is sought.<i><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> At this point, the other applicants know there is a CPE application but their bids are already in. Should private resolution be permitted at this point or
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</span>leads to Appeal. If sustained, Application 1 wins. If overturned, move to highest bidder and seek public comment on that application. (It's still possible for this application to be the highest bidder even if it fails CPE.)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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seek public comment on that application.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Assume CPE for Application 1 fails and that Application 4 submitted the highest sealed bid. Solicit public comment on Application 4 and the Objection deadline is triggered.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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public comment, and trigger Objection deadline. If LRO success is overturned, Application 4 wins .sam.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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move to the next highest bidder not withdrawn, solicit public comment, and trigger Objection deadline.
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