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    <p>Marc,</p>
    <p>As you know, you are only quoting a portion of the proposal. The
      Board acted because there was a severe problem. It heard concerns
      from the GAC - dozens of Early Warnings against Closed Generics -
      and then held a public comment process in which comments flooded
      in from organizations, associations, small businesses and
      entrepreneurs all over the world. There were editorials written in
      newspapers around the world. There was very strong basis for the
      global concerns raised about Closed Generics and the action the
      Board Governance Committee took. What's being cited below is only
      a small part of the overall resolution. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Also, we know the result: dozens of gTLD applicants changed their
      application and .CLOUD, .SEARCH, .BLOG, .BOOK and others are open
      because of these changes.  Facts. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Best, Kathy<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/18/2020 9:18 PM, Marc Trachtenberg
      via Gnso-newgtld-wg wrote:<br>
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              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alex,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Your
              point is completely manufactured and not based in any fact
              or the language that you cite.  The Board did decide after
              the applications were submitted to not permit closed
              generics.  You assert that this was because </span>
          </span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">the
              issue was so problematic, that it will force applicants to
              either withdraw, or revert to open applications and
              present this as if it is a fact as opposed to just your
              conclusion that supports your view that every TLD and
              every domain name should be available to everyone as if it
              is a natural right.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Your
              characterization of the Board’s action as “DRASTIC” is
              just that – your characterization.  That Board has made
              many about faces and questionable decisions – are they all
              “DRASTIC”?  Can the Board only make unexpected and
              questionable decisions when there is a “severe problem”? 
              Then there must be “severe problems” all the time. 
              Putting the drastic in CAPS does not make your assertion
              any more true.  And what is the purpose of your repeated
              use of quotation marks – are you quoting yourself?</span></span><span
            style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As
              for the portion you direct us to concentrate on -
            </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000">“…..
                  subject to rules developed for the next round, to
                  allow time for the GNSO to develop policy advice
                  concerning exclusive generic TLDs ….”</span></i></b></span><span
            style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000">
                -
              </span></b></span><span
            style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">you
              again boldly mischaracterize it.   This does not mean we
              are stuck with the status quo (assuming that no closed
              generics is the status quo as opposed to just applying to
              the first round which is another assertion you present as
              fact) and the Board did not make clear what the status quo
              ought to be despite your attempt to present it that way
              regardless of what the language says.  In fact, if
              anything is clear from the language you cite, it is that
              the Board did not intend for no generics to be the status
              quo because they specifically directed (or at least
              contemplated) the GNSO  to develop policy advice on this
              issue.  It is also the purpose of this working group to
              consider procedures from the first round and whether they
              are appropriate for the second round.  If this group had
              to just accept everything from the first round,
              Board-decided or otherwise – the group would have no
              purpose. And if anything is clear, it’s that this group
              has questioned virtually everything from the first round.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Finally,
              your assertion that “</span></span><span
            style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">At
              the very bare minimum the applicant would have to prove
              that their application serves the Public Interest (e.g.
              the .disaster example); and then the community would have
              to be called to decide whether the claim holds water”,
              this is also just your opinion and not based on anything
              else.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">To
              be clear, I don’t begrudge your opinion.  Everyone has a
              right to their opinions and should have the ability to
              express those opinions productively in this working group
              as I think many in this group do, regardless if I agree
              with them.  My opinion on closed generics happens to
              differ from yours but I don’t know that either view is
              right – they are just views.  In fact, many people I like
              and respect share your view. What I do object to, and find
              offensive, is your repeated presentation of opinions and
              views as facts and mischaracterization of Board and
              community action and language in an attempt to support
              those views and I would ask you to stop.  <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
            style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best
              regards,<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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                  alt="Greenberg Traurig" class="" width="185"
                  height="30" border="0"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
        <span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span>
        <div>
          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                Gnso-newgtld-wg
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alexander Schubert<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 18, 2020 7:35 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Generic words
                belong to everyone in a business or industry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Marc,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
            gNSO discussed and then decided to NOT create policy around
            “closed generics” during the 2007 PDP. This resulted in a
            substantial number of applications for “closed” category
            defining generic term based new gTLDs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
            board decided AFTER THESE APPLICATIONS WHERE SUBMITTED that
            the issue was so problematic, that it will force applicants
            to either withdraw, or revert to open applications. <br>
            <br>
            I would consider such measure as being “DRASTIC”. The board
            would have not applied such drastic measure in absence of a
            “severe problem”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">But
            better concentrate on this portion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000">“…..
                subject to rules developed for the next round, to allow
                time for the GNSO to develop policy advice concerning
                exclusive generic TLDs ….”</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In
            absence of the development of such “rules” (which hasn’t
            occurred yet) we are stuck with the status quo – and the
            board has made very clear what that status quo ought to be:
            NO CLOSED GENERICS. At the very bare minimum the applicant
            would have to prove that their application serves the Public
            Interest (e.g. the .disaster example); and then the
            community would have to be called to decide whether the
            claim holds water.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Alexander<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                <a href="mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com</a> [<a
                  href="mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Dienstag, 18. Februar 2020 17:39<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>;
                <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Generic words
                belong to everyone in a business or industry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alex,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Maybe
            I am missing something but where in
            <b><i><span style="color:#C00000">“…. will be deferred to
                  the next round of the New gTLD Program, subject to
                  rules developed for the next round, to allow time for
                  the GNSO to develop policy advice concerning exclusive
                  generic TLDs ….”
                </span></i></b>does the Board clearly say that there is
            a SEVERE PROBLEM with closed generics?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best
            regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
                MS",sans-serif;color:#003359">Marc H. Trachtenberg</span></b><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
              MS",sans-serif;color:black"><br>
              Shareholder </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><br>
            </span><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
              MS",sans-serif;color:black">Greenberg Traurig, LLP |
              77 West Wacker Drive | Suite 3100 | Chicago, IL 60601<br>
              Tel 312.456.1020 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
              MS",sans-serif;color:black">Mobile 773.677.3305<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:trac@gtlaw.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
                MS",sans-serif">trac@gtlaw.com</span></a><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
              MS",sans-serif;color:black"> |
            </span><a href="http://www.gtlaw.com/"
              moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
                MS",sans-serif;color:#003359">www.gtlaw.com</span></a><span
              style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet
              MS",sans-serif;color:black">   
              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><img
                style="width:1.927in;height:.3125in"
                id="Picture_x0020_1"
                src="cid:part4.280E62CE.83083C8F@kathykleiman.com"
                alt="Greenberg Traurig" class="" width="185" height="30"
                border="0"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                Gnso-newgtld-wg [<a
                  href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alexander Schubert<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 18, 2020 4:10 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Generic words
                belong to everyone in a business or industry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0E0E3F">*EXTERNAL
                TO GT*</span></b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">Dear
            Group,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">Here
            from the June 2015 board meeting resolutions (these are
            quotes directly from the ICANN.org website):<br>
            <a
href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-new-gtld-2015-06-21-en*2.a__;Iw!!DUT_TFPxUQ!X_ngnJWyBiZ7-KZ3YaRq55G_NVzZHzaTWr-pF2bpTCiST-6sHh6pb8Vejr_-3-6ZuB-yXw$"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-new-gtld-2015-06-21-en#2.a</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Advise
                Exclusive Generic Applicants for non-contended strings,
                or Exclusive Generic Applicants prevailing in contention
                resolution that they must elect within a reasonably
                limited time to either:<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">   
                submit a change request to no longer be an exclusive
                generic TLD, and sign the current form of the New gTLD
                Registry Agreement;<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">   
                maintain their plan to operate an exclusive generic TLD.
                As a result, their application
              </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000">will
                be deferred to the next round of the New gTLD Program,
                subject to rules developed for the next round, to allow
                time for the GNSO to develop policy advice concerning
                exclusive generic TLDs</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">;
                or<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">   
                withdraw their application for a refund consistent with
                the refund schedule in the Applicant Guidebook.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I
            would like to draw emphasis to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000">“….
                will be deferred to the next round of the New gTLD
                Program, subject to rules developed for the next round,
                to allow time for the GNSO to develop policy advice
                concerning exclusive generic TLDs ….”</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The
            board clearly states that there is a SEVERE PROBLEM, that it
            denies closed generic applications, that those REMAIN
            ineligible UNTIL the GNSO has “</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#C00000">developed
            advice concerning exclusive generic gTLDs</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">”.
            Hairsplitters could argue that this is only true for the
            2012 roster. But hey: come on.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">This
            is in striking contrast to the assentation that the
            ineligibility where to be restricted to the 2012 round only.
            The board INSTRUCTED the gNSO to “</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">develop
            policy advice concerning exclusive generic TLD</span><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">”,
            so in absence of a consensus around such policy advice it is
            self-evident that the board’s concerns aren’t addressed at
            all; and their “ban” stays active (or we force them to
            activate it yet again)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We
            run the risk to look incompetent if we run into this knife
            yet again: if we (like suggested by some here) maintain that
            our 2007 PDP was “flawless” – and that we have to repeat
            this obvious mistake (allowing closed generics) again; then
            here what will happen:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
          <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">GAC
              will point out the same as it has done in the 2012 round:
              asking the board to deny closed generics!<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
              board will note that the gNSO has denied their explicit
              request to develop new policy advice; and as a result will
              deny closed generics AGAIN!<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This
              creates MASSIVE confusion for applicants; something that
              we should allow<o:p></o:p></span></li>
        </ul>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
            assume it would be best if we abide by the Board request to
            “<span style="color:red">develop policy advice concerning
              exclusive generic TLD</span>”. A subgroup was initiated
            last year – I am in there; but the group was inactive so
            far. We simply should create policy advice. If there is a
            consensus around under what set of circumstances allowing
            closed generics: fine! Then we allow them. If there is no
            consensus: then I guess we have established just that: No
            consensus to allow closed generics.<br>
            <br>
            Here a bit more from the June 2015 board resolutions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79">   
              </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">A
                Policy Development Process with respect to operating
                exclusive generic strings in the "public interest"
                should be undertaken by the community. Policy issues on
                "closed generic" TLDs should be resolved through the
                multistakeholder process.</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79"><o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79">   
              </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">The
                public interest goal requirement as stated is too
                general and requires greater specificity for
                enforceability</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79">.
                The NGPC should add relevant meaning to the "public
                interest" concept by applying the GNSO rationales
                regarding the promotion of competition, consumer choice,
                market differentiation, and geographical and service
                provider diversity as standards for such affirmative
                objective showings and findings.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79">   
                Safeguards are important when applicants have chosen to
                apply for closed control of a generic term designating a
                particular industry where the applicant is engaged in
                the conduct of business activities in that industry.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79">   
                Requiring applicants to demonstrate some additional
                public interest goal in the context of exclusive
                registry access for generic strings would reverse the
                deliberate choices made by the ICANN community in its
                bottom-up process and impose new evaluation criteria.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79">   
                The status quo as set out in the Applicant Guidebook
                should apply so that
              </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red">both
                "open" and "closed" registry access for generic strings
                should continue to be allowed in this first application
                round, but both should be subject to significant
                scrutiny after launch by ICANN to ensure that the
                interests of rights owners and consumers are protected</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F4E79">.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So
            to say that the board decision was only pertaining the first
            round – but the 2<sup>nd</sup> round would be “open season
            for anything” is ignoring the board’s very clear advice.
            Board resolutions are our “safety valve” – we should try to
            establish our policies in a way that doesn’t require the
            board to issue them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">And
            while we are at it:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Submitting
            a generic term based gTLD application, trying to “prove
            public interest” by implementing clear launch phases (e.g.
            Sunrise), then never living up to such commitment: Should
            result in the denial of contract renewal after 10 years – at
            least for the 2<sup>nd</sup> round participants. If you
            prove your public interest through public availability (via
            defined launch periods) – but do not enact any: you have
            failed to serve the public interest. Why should ICANN renew
            your contract? It shouldn’t! As always: Exceptions might
            apply under extraordinary circumstances (Istanbul based
            .kurds denied to launch via court order for example).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Alexander<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
            Mike Rodenbaugh [<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>]
            <br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Dienstag, 18. Februar 2020 16:10<br>
            <b>To:</b> Alexander Schubert <<a
              href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
              moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
              moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Generic words belong
            to everyone in a business or industry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">So-called Closed Generics (however anyone
            may define them) were allowed in 2012, as a Consensus Policy
            insofar they were very heavily debated by the GNSO for many
            years, including the same arguments and many of the same
            participants in today's debate.  And Closed Generics were
            neither defined nor prohibited in the GNSO Consensus Policy
            adopted by the Board and then implemented by Staff and GNSO
            in the AGB.  Thus, Closed Generics were essentially,
            explicitly allowed -- and unsurprisingly then there was some
            number of applicants for strings that the Board later
            unilaterally defined as Closed Generics.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">The Board then made a variance to one
              small part of that Consensus Policy, only as to a
              specifically defined subset of 2012 applications that the
              GAC and some others objected to.  The Board specifically
              said that resolution had no bearing on future GNSO policy
              work.  That resolution was never discussed or debated by
              the GNSO, until this PDP.  So, neither the GNSO nor the
              Board have ever changed the 2012 Consensus Policy that
              allowed what some call "Closed Generics".  To change it
              now will require consensus of this WG, which seems
              unlikely to happen.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <br clear="all">
              <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Mike
                            Rodenbaugh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RODENBAUGH
                            LAW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">tel/fax:
                             +1.415.738.8087<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a
href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/rodenbaugh.law__;!!DUT_TFPxUQ!TJdk660_rz8Q-NrHih8ba6pZ5F5q6fKh70zdCooYJrpAq7oNPAlV7GTRT0cY-3TlciA$"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://rodenbaugh.law</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 12:26 PM
              Alexander Schubert <<a
                href="mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin"
                moz-do-not-send="true">alexander@schubert.berlin</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
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            <div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Anne,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This
                    is a contradiction. If the board denied “closed
                    generics” (gTLD applications for generic keyword
                    based strings) in 2012 then they did for a REASON.
                    Unless the board specified a “conditional aspect”
                    for that reason then the rationale for that decision
                    hasn’t changed just because a decade went by. So the
                    “ground rule” would be to keep the application rules
                    as they were in 2012 – namely denying closed
                    generics. UNLESS the gNSO develops new
                    recommendations – which then need a new board
                    approval.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Some
                    might argue that in 2012 the “problem” with closed
                    generics wasn’t that bad: only a few dozen generic
                    terms where taken by industry leaders (apparently
                    mostly to just block off the entire vertical). So
                    why bothering?<br>
                    <br>
                    Well: In 2012 the COST for a new gTLD was enormous!
                    Application writing and submission wasn’t yet
                    streamlined and expensive. Consulting (partly due to
                    a steep “learning curve”) was expensive. Application
                    fees alone where almost US $200k. By definition in
                    2012 there was no PRECEDENCE that industry leaders
                    would snag up entire category defining killer
                    keyword based gTLDs. The entire “new gTLD” issue was
                    “murky”.<br>
                    <br>
                    All of this will have DRASTICALLY changed by 2022:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="gmail-m-3270389050237085267msolistparagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D">·</span><span
                    style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">       
                  </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">There
                    will be a DECADE of public experience and exposure
                    of the new gTLD program and new gTLDs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="gmail-m-3270389050237085267msolistparagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D">·</span><span
                    style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">       
                  </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
                    consulting and application submission related fees
                    will be DRASTICALLY lower – some consultants already
                    offer packages lower than US $30k – which includes
                    application writing, submission, contracting and
                    testing!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="gmail-m-3270389050237085267msolistparagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D">·</span><span
                    style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">       
                  </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
                    application fee will likely be low, too. Some
                    already fabulize about US $25k fee floors – or even
                    BELOW!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="gmail-m-3270389050237085267msolistparagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D">·</span><span
                    style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">       
                  </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
                    “myth” that leading industry giants are massively
                    hoarding “their” verticals (industry defining
                    category killer generic terms) ain’t a “myth”
                    anymore: it’s a viable truth – proven by the 2012
                    application roster.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="gmail-m-3270389050237085267msolistparagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D">·</span><span
                    style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D">       
                  </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Consultants
                    will swarm out to big corporations who have ample
                    marketing budgets and inflated egos: “If YOU are not
                    securing ‘.CategoryDefiningKeyword’ then your
                    competition will: be clever and have at minimum a
                    horse in the race: let us apply for it on your
                    behalf”. Image how incredibly STUPID the head of
                    digital marketing of a Multi-Billion corporation
                    looks if their smaller competitor controls  “their”
                    category keyword gTLD: this could cost him his head.
                    In comparison for the price of a half page New York
                    Times ad he could play hero and showcase to his
                    board how “farsighted” he is.
                  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So
                    if anything then the underlying “problem” that lead
                    the board in 2012 to deny “closed generics” only got
                    worse – MUCH worse: Lower “fees & overall cost”
                    combined with established precedence = disaster!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And
                    while we have an obligation to keep harm away from
                    the Internet community by continuing to deny “closed
                    generics” that logically implies that we also make
                    sure that in the 2<sup>nd</sup> round there will be
                    no possibility for “effectively closed generics”:
                    namely generic term based open applications that
                    prove their “public interest” by promising launch
                    periods (e.g. the Sunrise period) – but then never
                    EXECUTE the Sunrise period – but rather are closed
                    to the public and still allow the applicant to run
                    100 domains.  If you have a Sunrise period in your
                    application then you ought to execute that in a
                    reasonable frame of time – or else you render the
                    gTLD “closed”. I suggest we provide 12 month
                    (extendable by another 12 month if reasons are
                    provided for the delay) to launch your Sunrise (if
                    you have one in your application) – but at BARE
                    MINUMUM ICANN should be crystal clear that for
                    registries that have a Sunrise in their application
                    any “contract renewal expectation” will only apply
                    if such Sunrise has been executed. Otherwise
                    industry giants will simply snag up category
                    defining keyword based gTLDs – and leave them
                    inactive – just to make sure they “control the
                    namespace”. Or they use their 100 domains and
                    effectively run it as closed generic.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
                    the general public (or Congress for that matter)
                    would get wind of how sloppy we are protecting the
                    public interest here: they would go bananas. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Alexander</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
                    name="m_-3270389050237085267__MailEndCompose"
                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                        Gnso-newgtld-wg [mailto:<a
                          href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Aikman-Scalese, Anne<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Dienstag, 18. Februar 2020 12:16<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Kathy Kleiman <<a
                          href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>;
                        <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Generic
                        words belong to everyone in a business or
                        industry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    style="color:#1F497D">HI Kathy,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    style="color:#1F497D">I do think it’s important for
                    the WG to understand what Jeff’s position is
                    procedurally on this topic.  It appears to me that
                    Paul is correct that there was no policy against
                    Closed Generics in 2012 and that the Board
                    resolution is limited to the 2012 round.  So if we
                    stick with the “ground rules” of the PDP, it appears
                    that the next round will be “open season” for Closed
                    Generic applications.  This is especially important
                    to consider now that the Working Group has taken a
                    “rough consensus” position (with some of us
                    dissenting)  that going forward, if a string is
                    applied for in the next round, that application will
                    act as a complete bar to applications for the same
                    string in any subsequent round. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    style="color:#1F497D">I would strongly advocate for
                    skipping this topic in the next call and scheduling
                    it for the F2F meeting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    style="color:#1F497D">Anne</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                        Gnso-newgtld-wg <<a
                          href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 18, 2020 8:36 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a
                          href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Generic words
                        belong to everyone in a business or industry</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"
                    style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><strong><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">[EXTERNAL]</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p>As we revisit the topic of Closed Generics, I would
                  like to share a few thoughts as a reminder on how this
                  issue (of "generic words") has been dealt with in
                  other forums. This is a long-established issue... 
                  <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>1) Trademark Manual of Examining Procedure, US
                  Trademark Office: <o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>"Generic terms are incapable of functioning as marks
                  denoting source, and are not registrable on the
                  Principal Register under §2(f) or on the Supplemental
                  Register." 807.14(e)(ii)<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>2) Our own Community Objection process reviewed and
                  raised the same deep concerns for gTLDs in which the
                  applicant (a competitor in a field)<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>ICC New gTLD Community Objections determination: 
                  "The establishment of unrestricted, exclusive rights
                  to a gTLD that is strongly associated with a certain
                  community or communities, particularly where those
                  communities are, or are likely to be, active in the
                  Internet sphere <b>seems to me inherently detrimental
                    to those communities' interests."  [Note: the
                    "communities" being referred to here are commercial
                    communities.  The issue of a closed .MOBILE was
                    raised by the CTIA which represents the US mobile
                    wireless industry.  </b>1-1316-6133<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p>Best, Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
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