<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Paul, <br><br>Thank you for noting my rejection to your original proposed text on Recommendation xx in the googledoc.<br><br>Along with others in this thread, I cannot accept your proposed amended text of "...
<b style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u>which should result in a strong presumption against the Board adopting such late GAC Consensus Advice</u></b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">.]</span> " either.<br><br><br>All,<br><br>Anne has pointed out what I wanted to say in addition, but I will raise one further rationale for my rejection.<br><br>Given the current Bylaws, Recommendation xx (rationale 3) seeks to remove from the AGB "a strong presumption" in favour of GAC Advice and I quote, as proposed,<br><br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><i>"Section 3.1 of the 2012 Applicant Guidebook states that GAC Advice “will create a strong presumption for the ICANN Board that the application should not be approved.” <u><b>Noting that this language does not have a basis in the current version of the ICANN Bylaws</b>, the Working Group recommends omitting this language in future versions of the Applicant Guidebook to bring the Applicant Guidebook in line with the Bylaws language</u>. The Working Group further notes that the language may have the <u>unintended consequence of hampering the ability for applicants, ICANN org, and the GAC to mitigate concerns and reach a mutually acceptable solution as described in the relevant Bylaws language, which could allow an application to proceed</u>.</i>"</blockquote><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br>Since we are noting that such a strong presumption in favour of GAC Advice does not have a basis in the current version of the Bylaws, I cannot in the same breath accept your (amended) proposal which provides for another strong presumption to arise, albeit against GAC Advice this time. The same would apply whether the GAC Advice pertains to applications for categories, groups or classes of applications or string types <u>or for a particular string,</u> IMO - recalling that "any new gTLD application or string" was the subject of the WG's questions on the role of GAC Advice in the Initial Report. <br><br>Thus, I would like to address the proposed recommendation in question in totality, for completeness sake.<br><br>To this end, I support Anne's proposed compromise language to be applied towards the original recommendation <u>in full</u>, which I now suggest should be condensed to read as,<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><b></b></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>"<i>Recommendation xx: To the extent that the GAC provides GAC Consensus Advice (as defined in the ICANN Bylaws) in the future on categories of TLDs, the GAC should provide this Advice prior to the finalization of the next Applicant Guidebook.
</i><b><i>In the event that GAC Consensus Advice is issued after the application period has begun and <font color="#0000ff"><u>whether</u></font> the GAC Consensus Advice applies to categories, groups or classes of applications or string types, <u><font color="#0000ff">or to a particular string,</font></u> the ICANN Board should take into account the circumstances resulting in such timing and the <u>possible</u> detrimental effect of such timing <u>in determining whether to accept or override such GAC Consensus Advice as provided in the Bylaws</u>.</i>" </b></div></blockquote><br><br>Justine<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 2 May 2020 at 04:44, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">Hi Paul,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">I have two issues with the recommended change to the language:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">1. It does not adequately warn applicants who are not already part of the ICANN system that the ByLaws accord a certain status to GAC Consensus Advice, i.e. it takes 11 directors to override it. In this regard,
we need to let potential applicants know how that advice might affect their chances of proceeding. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">2. Your proposed language still looks like an attempted change in the standard that is applicable (via the ByLaws) to GAC Consensus Advice As you know, that was all reviewed and decided upon in all the work
that was done in Accountability Workstream 2 . (We don’t want to propose language or standards that the Board is going to reject or that would require a Fundamental ByLaws Amendment in order for them to accept. As you know, there are lots of triggers related
to Empowered Community procedures for proposed amendments to the ByLaws.)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)">So I want to suggest a compromise as follows.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">In the event that GAC Consensus Advice is issued after the application period has begun and the GAC Consensus Advice applies to categories, groups or classes of applications
or string types, the ICANN Board should take into account the circumstances resulting in such timing and the
<u>possible</u> detrimental effect of such timing <u>in determining whether to accept or override such GAC Consensus Advice as provided in the ByLaws.</u><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">Anne</span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 1, 2020 4:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>; Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>>; Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" target="_blank">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a>>; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (<a href="mailto:cheryl@hovtek.com.au" target="_blank">cheryl@hovtek.com.au</a>) <<a href="mailto:cheryl@hovtek.com.au" target="_blank">cheryl@hovtek.com.au</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Revisions to sections on GAC Advice - Current Status?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi All,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I have not been able to connect with Greg on this as hoped. Even so, I submit the following change which I believes deals with concerns some have raised that we cannot tie the ICANN Board’s hands but at the same
time want to create a sense of urgency-leading-to-predictability in relationship to when the GAC gives advice:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"> </span></u><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">[ In the event that GAC Consensus Advice is issued after the application period has begun and the GAC Consensus
Advice applies to categories, groups or classes of applications or string types, the ICANN Board should take into account the circumstances resulting in such timing and the detrimental effect of such timing when considering such<u>
</u>GAC Consensus Advice <b><u>which should result in a strong presumption against the Board adopting such late GAC Consensus Advice</u></b>.]<u> </u></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I hope this balance is acceptable to the WG. This is an area of failure for the community in the last round and I think it would be really unfortunate if we set ourselves up for failure again by not addressing
it in the new AGB.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:yellow">Jeff/Cheryl</span><span style="color:black">, will one of you please confirm receipt and that this will be on our agenda for discussion in the appropriate WG call? Thanks!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 28, 2020 4:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" target="_blank">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a>>; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (<a href="mailto:cheryl@hovtek.com.au" target="_blank">cheryl@hovtek.com.au</a>) <<a href="mailto:cheryl@hovtek.com.au" target="_blank">cheryl@hovtek.com.au</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: Revisions to sections on GAC Advice - Current Status?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">Sorry to have missed last night's witching hour call and sorry this is not done. You can blame me, not Paul. i will look at the last bit of language in play this evening and hammer something
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 5:03 PM Aikman-Scalese, Anne <<a href="mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com" target="_blank">AAikman@lrrc.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jeff and Cheryl (and Paul McGrady),<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jeff, you said that if there were any proposed changes to the GAC Advice language, we should get those in by May 1.
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, the last time the WG looked at this, Paul had inserted a number of redline changes into the document. So which version are you expecting us to use when you ask for proposals
to be made no later than May 1? And are these alternate proposals supposed to come in the form of redlines to the WG document in the same manner that Paul used?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I had understood that Paul was doing some redrafting of his numerous edits. Or was there another small group that was supposed to be convened on this point?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t see any way we can cancel the discussion on the language covering GAC Advice, even though you suggested at the top of the last call that we might.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<u></u><u></u></p>
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