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</head><body><p>Good morning: </p><p><Spin> in this context is basically pejorative, implying arguments that endeavour to hide unwelcome truths. Whence, <spin doctors>.</p><p><Spin up …> I do not know. Perhaps one meant <sign up to>, I which case I would disagree.</p><p>In view of the wide range of issues that have been fudged by the PDP in deference to a consensus of incumbents, personally, I have no expectation that the eventual 2021 AGB could be re-used in the future without significant changes.</p><p>Regards</p><p><br></p><p>CW</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><blockquote type="cite">El 9 de diciembre de 2020 a las 11:40 Justine Chew <justine.chew@gmail.com> escribió: <br> <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Is there a better term than "spin up"? <br> <br>Justine</div><br><div class="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail_attr">On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 04:36, Jeff Neuman < <a href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</a>> wrote: <br></div><blockquote><div><div class="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail-m_-2505958135125731764WordSection1"><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal">Thanks Donna. I think these additions make a lot of sense and strengthen the proposal. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal">Anyone else have thoughts on this modified version?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse: collapse; border: none;"><tbody><tr><td width="192" valign="bottom" style="width: 144.3pt; border-right: none; border-bottom: none; border-left: none; border-top: 3pt solid #06175f; padding: 0in 5.4pt;"><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;"><img width="178" height="81" style="width: 1.8489in; height: 0.8437in;" id="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail-m_-2505958135125731764Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:1764715af0f692e332"></span><u></u><u></u></p></td><td width="173" valign="bottom" style="width: 129.95pt; border-right: none; border-bottom: none; border-left: none; border-top: 3pt solid #06175f; padding: 0in 5.4pt;"><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #06175f;">Jeffrey J. Neuman</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black;">Founder & CEO</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #06175f;">JJN Solutions, LLC</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black;">p: +1.202.549.5079</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black;">E: </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><a href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #1155cc;">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black;"><a href="http://jjnsolutions.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://jjnsolutions.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-right: none; border-bottom: none; border-left: none; border-top: 1pt solid #e1e1e1; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Donna@registry.godaddy <Donna@registry.godaddy> <br> <strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, December 4, 2020 2:39 PM<br> <strong>To:</strong> Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br> <strong>Subject:</strong> RE: 5th Topical Questions: Applicant Fees<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal">Jeff, all<u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal">Some suggested changes to a. below. I think it would be best if we provided guidance on what the funds could be used for and ensure transparency.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">Leadership Recommendation</span></u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;"> - <u>Proposed Implementation Guidance:</u></span><u></u><u></u></p><ol style="margin-top: 0in;" start="1" type="a"><ol style="margin-top: 0in;" start="1" type="a"><li class="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail-m_-2505958135125731764MsoListParagraph" style="color: #4472c4; margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">Although ICANN must operate the new gTLD Program on a Cost Recovery basis (subject to any floors as set forth in this report) </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; background: white;">ICANN org </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">may set aside a certain small percentage of excess fees (to the extent there are excess fees) to apply towards <s>covering</s> the cos<s>ts</s> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; background: white;">of maintaining the capability to spin up </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">future subsequent rounds of new gTLDs </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; background: white;">with minimum delay and </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">to ensure that the new gTLD Program is able to continue into the future. </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; background: white;">For example, retaining staff with program expertise and maintaining requisite systems. Any excess fees set aside by ICANN for this purpose must be explicitly recorded and justified.<u><u></u><u></u></u></span></li><li class="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail-m_-2505958135125731764MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">In addition, with the remainder of any excess fees, ICANN may establish a schedule for the disbursement of refunds upon the achievement of specified milestones. For illustrative purposes only, such a schedule could establish that once 50% of the applications have been fully processed (eg., delegated, withdrawn, or not approved), ICANN would issue a payment of 25% of the excess fees back to the applicants.</span><u><u></u><u></u></u></li><li class="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail-m_-2505958135125731764MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">ICANN should further explore these with the Implementation Review Team and ensure that the resulting implementation is clearly documented in the Applicant Guidebook.</span><u><u></u><u></u></u></li></ol></ol><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal">Donna<u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal">Donna Austin<u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal">Head of Registry Policy<u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal">GoDaddy Registry<u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="border-right: none; border-bottom: none; border-left: none; border-top: 1pt solid #e1e1e1; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Gnso-newgtld-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Jeff Neuman<br> <strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, December 4, 2020 6:05 AM<br> <strong>To:</strong> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br> <strong>Subject:</strong> [Gnso-newgtld-wg] 5th Topical Questions: Applicant Fees<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-top: none; border-right: none; border-bottom: none; border-left: 4.5pt solid #a6a6a6; padding: 0in 0in 0in 14pt;"><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal" style="background: #ebebeb;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; color: black;">Notice:</span> <span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; color: black;">This email is from an external sender. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">All,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">This is the <u>Fifth Topical E-mail</u> on outstanding questions being “put to the list.” This covers Applicant Fees (Topic 15)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Remember: We are down to the wire on this, so unless you have a VERY strong objection to these, we will put these into the document. If you do have a big issue with the responses to these (all of which were previously discussed and in emails over the past 1.5 months), please let us know ASAP. Only comments that provide the rationale for the objection with proposed replacement text to address the specific outstanding questions will now be considered.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Lets not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Working Group Draft Report:<u></u><u></u></span></u></p><ol style="margin-top: 0in;" start="1" type="a"><li class="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail-m_-2505958135125731764MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 0.25in;"><u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Recommendation 15.7</span></u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">: In managing funds for the New gTLD Program, ICANN must have a plan in place for managing any excess fees collected or budget shortfalls experienced. The plan for the management and disbursement of excess fees, if applicable, must be communicated in advance of accepting applications and collecting fees for subsequent procedures. The implementation guidance below describes in more detail how this should be accomplished.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail-m_-2505958135125731764MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 0.25in;"><u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Implementation Guidance 15.8</span></u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">: If excess fees are collected in subsequent procedures and the cost recovery model is followed (i.e., the application fee floor is not implemented) any excess fees should be returned to applicants where possible. The disbursement mechanism must be communicated before applicants submit applications and fees to ICANN.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">ICANN Board Comment</span></u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">: The Board notes the PDP’s Recommendation 15.7: “In managing funds for the New gTLD Program, ICANN must have a plan in place for managing any excess fees collected or budget shortfalls experienced. The plan for the management and disbursement of excess fees, if applicable, must be communicated in advance of accepting applications and collecting fees for subsequent procedures.” The Board asks the PDP to more carefully examine the concept of “excess” or shortage of fees, especially in the light of the likely need for ICANN org, a not-for- profit organization, to increase resources for the application process and the continued support of the new gTLD program. The proposed principle of cost recovery of the next round, as for the 2012 round is understood as a clear mechanism to state to the public that the fee to be paid by applicants is designed to only cover for the cost of the program and not to support non-program operations of ICANN org. the proposed principle does not require a dollar-to-dollar return of any potential excess. The lack of a clear definition of “closure” and “round” for any new gTLD subsequent procedures future ‘round’ is also problematic in this context and the Board encourages the PDP WG to contemplate including such definition in its Final Report. (Pg. 63)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">Working Group Discussion:</span></u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;"> There are several main points in this comment. First is that there should be some money set aside to continue to fund the ongoing new gTLD Program for subsequent rounds. Second, there is an issue as to the timing of when refunds are issued.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; background: white;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">Leadership Recommendation</span></u><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;"> - <u>Proposed Implementation Guidance:</u></span><u></u><u></u></p><ol style="margin-top: 0in;" start="1" type="a"><li class="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail-m_-2505958135125731764MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">Although ICANN must operate the new gTLD Program on a Cost Recovery basis (subject to any floors as set forth in this report) may set aside a certain small percentage of excess fees (to the extent there are excess fees) to apply towards covering the costs of future subsequent rounds of new gTLDs to ensure that the new gTLD Program is able to continue into the future.</span><u><u></u><u></u></u></li><li class="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail-m_-2505958135125731764MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">In addition, with the remainder of any excess fees, ICANN may establish a schedule for the disbursement of refunds upon the achievement of specified milestones. For illustrative purposes only, such a schedule could establish that once 50% of the applications have been fully processed (eg., delegated, withdrawn, or not approved), ICANN would issue a payment of 25% of the excess fees back to the applicants.</span><u><u></u><u></u></u></li><li class="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail-m_-2505958135125731764MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; background: white;">ICANN should further explore these with the Implementation Review Team and ensure that the resulting implementation is clearly documented in the Applicant Guidebook.</span><u><u></u><u></u></u></li></ol><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Please have your comments (If any) by no later than 23:59:59 UTC on Tuesday, December 8, 2020.<u></u><u></u></span></strong></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></strong></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Jeff & Cheryl<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">SubPro Co-Chairs<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse: collapse;" class="mce-item-table"><tbody><tr><td width="192" valign="bottom" style="width: 144.3pt; border-right: none; border-bottom: none; border-left: none; border-top: 3pt solid #06175f; padding: 0in 5.4pt;"><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: black; border: 1pt none windowtext; padding: 0in;"><img border="0" width="178" height="81" style="width: 1.8541in; height: 0.8437in;" id="ox-4f8b82a677-gmail-m_-2505958135125731764Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:1764715af0f5b16b21"></span><u></u><u></u></p></td><td width="173" valign="bottom" style="width: 129.95pt; border-right: none; border-bottom: none; border-left: none; border-top: 3pt solid #06175f; padding: 0in 5.4pt;"><p class="ox-4f8b82a677-MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; color: #06175f;">Jeffrey J. 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