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<p class="MsoNormal">I understand your point and I don’t know if there any other good options. But I just don’t think ICANN will accept this. It’s one thing for a Dispute Resolution Provider to make a decision and the registrar to carry out the action based
on policy created by the GNSO. It’s another for ICANN to carry out the action. You could say there is no difference but there is one big difference – ICANN doesn’t want the potential disputes and lawsuits this will invariably bring.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jeff Neuman <jeff@jjnsolutions.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Trachtenberg, Marc H. (Shld-Chi-IP-Tech) <trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com>; gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Thoughts on PICs / RVCs (LONG NOTE)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Marc. That may be true (ICANN not wanting to be in that role), but if this is something we believe should happen, then we should state as such. The issue is that there is no other party that would be in a position to implement
the decision. In other words, if the parties in example 1 (brand owner and applicant) agree in advance that one of the potential remedies for the violation of the voluntary commitment would be an issuance of a letter of breach (which must be cured) of
their registry obligations. Let’s say they also agree that failure to “cure the breach” would result in the loss of the registry. The only party that would be in a position to “implement” the remedy is ICANN itself.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What are the other options?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com">trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com</a> <<a href="mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com">trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 9, 2020 8:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff@jjnsolutions.com">jeff@jjnsolutions.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Thoughts on PICs / RVCs (LONG NOTE)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jeff,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With respect to your use cases, I don’t think ICANN will be receptive to 1.f and 2.d (i.e. that they implement the decision by the independent third party) as that just opens up ICANN to potential disputes and litigation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif;color:black">Marc H. Trachtenberg
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Shareholder<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Chair, Internet, Domain Name, e-Commmerce and Social Media Practice<br>
Greenberg Traurig, LLP <br>
77 West Wacker Drive | Suite 3100 | Chicago, IL 60601 <br>
T +1 312.456.1020 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gnso-newgtld-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Neuman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 9, 2020 2:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org">gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Thoughts on PICs / RVCs (LONG NOTE)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I know there have been a lot of e-mails on this subject in the last week or so. I wanted to give you some perspectives that we discussed at the leadership level to see if we can find some common themes and then we can see if any language
in our report needs to change (which I am not convinced there will need to be substantial changes). This is my (Jeff Neuman) summary to move the discussion along.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, here is where I think we are on principles:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><u>Existing PICs used as PICs in New Registry</u> Agreements: We believe that the existing PICs – worded substantially the same as they were in 2012 – are ok under ICANN’s Bylaws
as they are specifically “grandfathered” in.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><u>Domain Name Eligibility Rules</u>: We all seem to be on the same page that eligibility rules for the registration/renewal (but not necessarily usage) can be included in PICs/RVCs
under ICANN Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><u>Voluntary Registry Commitments</u>:<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><u>Commitments made by Registries without ICANN Enforcement<o:p></o:p></u></li></ol>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore"><span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span>i.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><![endif]>Registries and Registrars have reserved their rights to take down domain names for phishing, pharming, malware, and other forms of domain name abuse. With respect to Registries,
some have built these directly in as PICs while others have just built this into their Registry-Registrar Agreements (and some do both). These types of PICs / RVCs do not seem to present any issue under the ICANN Bylaws (in our view).
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</span>ii.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><![endif]>We also believe that it is fairly common for registries to have policies that allow them to take down any domains used in connection with illegal activity, child exploitation,
fraud, the sale of illegal pharmaceuticals, etc. <o:p></o:p></p>
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</span>iii.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><![endif]>Because these do not require ICANN enforcement, we see no reason how or why this would present an ICANN Bylaw issues. Conversely, we see no reason why we (through a PDP) would
have any ability to restrict the ability of a registry to impose these types of commitments on their registrants (through registrars or directly). So while we appreciate Kathy’s concern about a Registry’s ability to take down domain names, we do not believe
that we are in a position to either require registries to take down names based on content or to prohibit them from doing so either. Both could be considered forms of regulation (imposing rules on what a registry has to do or what it may not do).<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span>iv.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span><![endif]><u>Real Example Today</u>. .gay. The Registry Operator for .gay (Top Level Design) want to have a safe space for the LGBTQ community. That community, as most of you know,
has historically been the subject of hate speech, violence, bullying, etc. Having a safe space for the gay community according to the registry is its differentiator and is absolutely necessary. It has an incredibly strict Rights Protections Policy (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.ohhey.gay/gay-cares__;!!DUT_TFPxUQ!Qi5DM39VSsHFTOKBE-yGg52J_tO_YfjEOO0qejDn038YnywJTzDpdsi_SJ9GdXiBe6A$">https://www.ohhey.gay/gay-cares</a>)
that prevents Registrants from (i) inciting or promoting violence against others, (ii) Bullying, engaging in cyber bullying or inciting others to bully, (iii) Harassing, or encouraging others to harass or harm others, (iv) Stalking, (v) Abusive intent to cause
fear or threaten violence, (vi) Hate Speech, (vii) Or activity intended to organize, coordinate, or otherwise enable one of the above. It also reserves the right to take down any sites that do any of the above at its sole discretion. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><u>Commitments made by Registries that may require ICANN Enforcement in some capacity</u><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Some Registries will want to make voluntary commitments in response to public comments, Government early warnings, objections, GAC Advice, etc. We do not see an issue with having these commitments reflected in Registry
Agreements even if they fall outside of ICANN’s core mission IF in the case where the commitment does not fall within ICANN’s mission, neither ICANN itself nor any third party under ICANN’s control is involved in the decision as to whether the commitment itself
has been violated. Where an independent third party finds a violation of the commitment, ICANN should be able to rely on that third party decision and enforce a pre-arranged contractual remedy, which could include sanctions and/or termination of the Registry
Agreement.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><u>Examples / Use Cases:</u><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">If an Applicant applies for the TLD “.dictionarywordthatisalsobrandx” and Brand X objects to the application. Applicant agrees with Brand X that it will not use the TLD in an infringing
manner to Brand X. In exchange for that Agreement, Brand X agrees to drop its Objection IF the Applicant agrees to put this commitment into its Registry Agreement in the form of an RVC.
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>As a PDP Working Group we have often said that it is our preference for disputes, objections, etc. to be worked out between the parties where this is possible. This is in line with our desire to see future expansion of the TLD space
and encourage innovation and competition.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>As a result, this type of private resolution should be encouraged.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">c.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>The question, however, is whether ICANN could enforce this commitment.
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">d.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>After our discussions with the ICANN Board liaisons and the comments we received by the community, the real concern was that ICANN did not believe it could be put in a decision to make these types of decisions (namely in this case whether
Applicant’s use of the TLD violates its commitment to Brand X).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">e.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>If the Applicant and Brand X agree that any disputes involving their “settlement” are resolved by an independent third party (not ICANN) and the costs are borne by the parties (as opposed to ICANN), this should not present a problem.<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]>If ICANN implements the decision by the independent third party (which the Applicant agreed in its Registry Agreement to allow ICANN to do), this too should not present a Bylaws issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">g.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>The key point here is that ICANN itself is not imposing the restrictions on the Applicant and therefore should not be violating its own Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">What if an Applicant applies for .ideaexchange? The Applicant wants to run the TLD as a place where registrants can put their open source ideas on the Internet and allow others
to use their ideas in connection with whatever they want. Comments are filed by businesses, governments, intellectual property owners and others concerned that this will be a space where users will exchange intellectual property that they do not own. Lets
also assume that the Independent Objector files an objection as well. Assume Applicant never intended that and agrees that it will have a policy whereby Registrants agree that they will not use the TLD to distribute any intellectual property that is not owned
by them. And the Applicant also reserves the right to take down any names that use the TLD in violation of this policy. To resolve the comments filed by governments, businesses, etc., the Applicant voluntarily agrees to have an RVC that states this policy
and the takedown processes. Each of the commenters and the Independent Objector agree that this would settle the matter and if documented in the Registry Agreement, they would drop their challenges.
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>We believe that having these comments resolved in an amicable manner should be encouraged.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">b.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>Because this new policy has to be documented somewhere, the only real place it can be documented is as an RVC in the Registry Agreement.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">c.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>ICANN should not be the arbiter of whether there is a violation of this policy. This would certainly arguably be beyond its mission.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">d.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>However, if the arbiter of any disputes is an independent third party, not paid by ICANN, etc., then this would seemingly be ok even if it is agreed by the Applicant to follow the third party decision and to allow ICANN to impose the
appropriate remedy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.75in"><b>Bottom Line: I believe that so long as ICANN is not the ultimate decision maker in whether a policy that may arguably be outside of its mission, there should be no issues with having new PICs and/or
Registry Voluntary Commitments. If this indeed is the case, then we would just need to add a recommendation that (a) independent third parties must be used to resolved any potential violations of the PICs / RVCs, and (b) Applicants would need to agree in
a Registry Agreement to be bound by the decision of the third party and to allow ICANN to impose sanctions / penalties.
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