[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July

Tue Jul 29 13:45:04 UTC 2014

Regarding the relay time frame, I think Volker's two business hour relay standard is doable assuming the P/P has an automated forwarding system for email or web form submissions to the registrant.  I don't believe that's a reasonable time frame if human intervention is required to make the relay happen.  To accommodate human involvement, I suggest a relay standard of no less than one or maybe two business days.

From: Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July

First, I support Kathy’s proposed wording.  In fact, I think we should be dealing separately with the law enforcement/warrant situations where a 24/7 contact point is required and where there can be very prompt response to a very real threat of some kind, and other material to be relayed - which is where we are now.

Clearly, yes, renewal notices and anything else required under the RAA should either be relayed or automatically dealt with so the beneficial registrant is informed.  The harder question is what else is forwarded and how.  I think we need to agree on words that describe the kind of material that should be relayed separately from how that is done.  I do appreciate that actually forwarding mail is time consuming and costly.  Some P/P providers may want to offer that service (and charge accordingly) but I’m not sure it is something that ICANN could mandate.  It may make more sense to reach an agreed  description of what should be forwarded (and lots of thought needed for that one) and leave it up to P/P providers as to how material is relayed, providing they describe to potential customers both what material they relay and what they will/will not do to actually relay the material (mail/email/whatever).

I think that is close to Steve’s suggestion, but I take Volker’s point about the timing.  I also take other points made in that other providers may, as part of the service, not relay material that are just marketing or other material that is close to spam in nature.

I am an apology for this meeting - and sorry I will miss what will be an interesting discussion

HOlly

On 29 Jul 2014, at 7:40 pm, Luc SEUFER <lseufer at dclgroup.eu<mailto:lseufer at dclgroup.eu>> wrote:

As most often, I agree with Volker.
Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human intervention.
Luc
On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net><mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
Hi Steven,
I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours.
Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense.
Volker
As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected.  Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration:
“ P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like.  In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours.”
Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow.
Steve Metalitz
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Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July
Dear WG members,
The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows:
  1.  Roll Call/Updates to SOI
  2.  Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again – with a minor typo corrected - for your review)
  3.  Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits)
  4.  Next steps/next meeting
We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well.
Thanks and cheers
Mary
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