[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July

Kathy Kleiman kathy at kathykleiman.com
Tue Jul 29 13:57:36 UTC 2014


Great discussion. Quick question: where do we stand on the cost-sharing 
arrangements, e.g., "charging a reasonable fee for relaying certain 
types of communications" (from our current E-1 template)?

Best,
Kathy


:
> Regarding the relay time frame, I think Volker's two business hour 
> relay standard is doable assuming the P/P has an automated forwarding 
> system for email or web form submissions to the registrant.  I don't 
> believe that's a reasonable time frame if human intervention is 
> required to make the relay happen.  To accommodate human involvement, 
> I suggest a relay standard of no less than one or maybe two business days.
>
>
> From: Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net 
> <mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>>
> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:16 AM
> To: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>" 
> <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July
>
> First, I support Kathy's proposed wording.  In fact, I think we should 
> be dealing separately with the law enforcement/warrant situations 
> where a 24/7 contact point is required and where there can be very 
> prompt response to a very real threat of some kind, and other material 
> to be relayed - which is where we are now.
>
> Clearly, yes, renewal notices and anything else required under the RAA 
> should either be relayed or automatically dealt with so the beneficial 
> registrant is informed.  The harder question is what else is forwarded 
> and how.  I think we need to agree on words that describe the kind of 
> material that should be relayed separately from how that is done.  I 
> do appreciate that actually forwarding mail is time consuming and 
> costly.  Some P/P providers may want to offer that service (and charge 
> accordingly) but I'm not sure it is something that ICANN could 
> mandate.  It may make more sense to reach an agreed  description of 
> what should be forwarded (and lots of thought needed for that one) and 
> leave it up to P/P providers as to how material is relayed, providing 
> they describe to potential customers both what material they relay and 
> what they will/will not do to actually relay the material 
> (mail/email/whatever).
>
>
> I think that is close to Steve's suggestion, but I take Volker's point 
> about the timing.  I also take other points made in that other 
> providers may, as part of the service, not relay material that are 
> just marketing or other material that is close to spam in nature.
>
> I am an apology for this meeting - and sorry I will miss what will be 
> an interesting discussion
>
> HOlly
>
> On 29 Jul 2014, at 7:40 pm, Luc SEUFER <lseufer at dclgroup.eu 
> <mailto:lseufer at dclgroup.eu>> wrote:
>
>     As most often, I agree with Volker.
>     Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly
>     separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a
>     postal mail requires human intervention.
>     Luc
>     On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann
>     <vgreimann at key-systems.net
>     <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net><mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>     <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net%3E>> wrote:
>     Hi Steven,
>     I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting.
>     There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore
>     propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two
>     business hours.
>     Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay
>     requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and
>     offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense.
>     Volker
>     As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable
>     discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be
>     expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and
>     other filters should be reflected.  Let me suggest the following
>     formulation for consideration:
>     " P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received
>     at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or
>     via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this
>     technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable
>     measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam,
>     abusive communications, and the like.  In the case of manual relay
>     systems, relay must take place within 24 hours."
>     Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow.
>     Steve Metalitz
>     From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>     <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
>     [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong
>     Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM
>     To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>     <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>     Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July
>     Dear WG members,
>     The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows:
>       1.  Roll Call/Updates to SOI
>       2.  Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23
>     July; attached here again -- with a minor typo corrected - for
>     your review)
>       3.  Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits)
>       4.  Next steps/next meeting
>     We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in
>     accordance with the usual practice, as well.
>     Thanks and cheers
>     Mary
>     Mary Wong
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