[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Question

Thu Jul 31 16:31:59 UTC 2014

Well, when that happens, the service has to contact the registrant (or 
if impossible another involved party) and request an update of the 
underlying data.
Anything beyond that is not required at this time.

Why should the original sender have a right to be informed about a 
bounce if the data is later fixed?

Volker

Am 31.07.2014 17:55, schrieb Alex_Deacon at mpaa.org:
> Thats right.
>
> We are getting into the weeds here but when the “sender” (SMTP server in the context Michele provided below) finally gives up it will send a hard bounce back to the address in From: or Reply-To: header.
>
> When this happens the service has X days (2 days based on the recent thread) to process the message and notify the original sender of the bounce.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2014, at 1:46 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>
>> David
>>
>> It's defined in the RFC as:
>>
>> "Retries continue until the message is transmitted or the sender gives
>>    up; the give-up time generally needs to be at least 4-5 days"
>>
>> See: https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2821.txt
>>
>> Of course that's an RFC, so while *most* mail servers might work that way there's no guarantee that they all will
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Michele
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:20 PM
>> To: James M. Bladel
>> Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Question
>>
>> It used to be the standard practice was that mail servers would continue trying to deliver for four days.
>>
>> Regards
>> David
>>
>> On 29 Jul 2014, at 6:15 pm, James M. Bladel <jbladel at godaddy.com> wrote:
>>
>> I¹ll also see if we are tracking/counting this stat.  Another helpful data point might be how many ³bounces² are later resolved, meaning the delivery failure was a temporary situation that was later corrected.  This could be important if a relay obligation were framed in terms of ³unsuccessful delivery after X attempts or within Y business days² or something similar.
>>
>> Thanks<
>>
>>
>> J.
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>>
>> On 7/29/14, 10:42 , "Graeme Bunton" <gbunton at tucows.com> wrote:
>>
>> That's a good question Kathy,
>> I'll see if I can dig some stats up from our systems.
>>
>> Graeme
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:32 AM
>> To: Metalitz, Steven; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Question
>>
>> Hi Steve and Alex,
>> Good discussion today - much appreciated. Quick note: I can certainly understand the desire to know if an email went through. Quick question:
>> do you have any idea how many "bouncebacks" we are talking about?  In today's environment, with the current forwarding work by proxy/privacy providers, do you have any idea how many messages are undeliverable vs.
>> how many may be received but not responded to?  I know each messages is important, but are we talking about a high percentage or a very low percentage?
>>
>> Tx,
>> Kathy
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